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    Posted: 19 Oct 13 at 7:59pm
...and to be honest, having tried curtains on my asymmetric, they do have their drawbacks...
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Originally posted by Jeepers

...and to be honest, having tried curtains on my asymmetric, they do have their drawbacks...


They do look swish though, and pelmet is required for the low boom.
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Well I am looking forward to sailing my assy boat tomorrow, I've had a hectic week of work so a hit of kite up blasting will do me very nicely indeed. I don't need a super crew or a load of practice put in, just go down, rig up, go sailing, have a laugh.  I've sailed FB, MR and Wayfarers and none of them were much fun until you'd put sufficient practice in to get them round the hoists, drops and gybes without it just getting frustrating.

...and no, I don't give a sh** about whether I win or not.


....The MR and Wayfarer was in the 90's and had a single pole on the booms with bags on the Wf and chute on the Merlin.  I've seen the modern ones and the twin poles look much faster and "easier" for the crew.


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Originally posted by getafix


The MR and Wayfarer was in the 90's and had a single pole on the booms with bags on the Wf and chute on the Merlin.  I've seen the modern ones and the twin poles look much faster and "easier" for the crew.


Having sailed assy's, twin pole manual, twin pole flyways, and single poles, I am convinced that twin pole manuals are the dogs bananas. When David Henshall was sorting out his classic Merlin, we had long discussions about this, and we both came to the conclusion, we had it right with twin poles manual, first CVRDA event we went to with this system, broke the boat in the first race, but then won the next two, and hence the event.

It is a shame that a lot of the youth of today, do not know how to set a "proper" spiny!!!
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Here is the story of Jon and David breaking the boat at Whitefriars in 2010.

History records the intrepid team as coming DFL, rather than 1st, though - they never did get the boat fixed that day...


'Crew Jon 711 takes up the story: “Lining up for the start, 10 seconds to go, good position, about where we wanted to be. I suddenly heard from behind me “****”. I looked back to see David, holding the back end of the centreboard case in his hand, not a major problem you may think, but, this just happened to be the piece of the case that the mainsheet turning block was screwed to!! However consummate professional that he is, said “Doesn’t matter, I will sail it skiff style straight off the boom!!” I think we both realised that spinnaker hoists would be interesting with no main sheet cleat…

Third lap, first boat on the water, and it was my turn to speak an expletive, although a less emphatic one! “****”, as the turning block for the jib sheets pulled the track off the boat. We finished that beat with less pointing, but still first boat on the water. On the downwind leg David flew the kite, while I tried to figure out how to sheet the jib on the next windward leg. The shroud adjuster racks were in about the right position, and had a nice big hole in them. just suitable for a jib sheet, but would create a bit more friction, I’ll reeve it through there, thought I. Rounded the leeward mark, still first boat, pulled the jib in, and pulled the shroud adjuster off! I can not even **** the expletives then said! We then both realised that it was game over!”
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Not quite Rupert, we were on a single pole system at Whitefriers, it was the next one we went to we had twin poles, memory is going, can not remember where!!!
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If you were in 3025, then it may well have been Bough Beech? I missed that one - reading the old report, it was a windy one!
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Yes, Bough Beech, brain cells just returning, broke the boat in the first race (I believe it is called doing a Roger!! (An in joke for the CVRDA guys)), just got the boat repaired as everyone was coming in for lunch, so we went out for a blast, with everyone else sitting in the club waiting for something else to break, while they had thier dinner. Then won the next two races!!! MR 3025 is a fast boat, just at the time had a few weaknesses!! (I always claimed the biggest weakness was the crew)
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Back to the topic of asymmetric curtains

you just can't compare a asymmetric spinnaker on a slow roto molded dinghy to a dinghy with a high power to weight ratio and a low drag hull.

I appreciate the simplicity of use of the asymmetric kite in slow and and underpowered boat whilst you are learning to sail. However it just isn't going to get you to the leeward mark faster than just running DDW.
I had a 200 which i almost used to race singlehanded with my son who was 8, as the kite was so small. The original spec was for a pole to boom out the clew of the kite to run downwind... Are they not allowed now, because they were faster than the asymmetric kite ?
So I agree in these type of dinghies - handling issues aside - the asymmetric kite rigged boats will die out cause you'll be more competitive with a conventional kite.

However raise the kite on a fast dinghy designed for W/L racing in a breeze and the boat will sail itself to the leeward mark due to apparent wind. A completely different experience

Fast asymmetric racing is dying out in my experience, because dwindling boat numbers are being boosted by trying to mix slow and fast asymmetric boats in the same fleet. If a club has a asymmetric fleet of 13 boat then it looks great, however it's at the expense of QUALITY racing

Making slow boats sail W/L courses and conversely, fast asymmetrics race around the cans on a reach and then having to drop 1/2 way down the leg is just stupidly wrong, and frankly dangerous.

In my local patch its the worst I've ever experienced in 35years of racing, as the local club now have an abomination of slow asymmetrics, fast asymmetrics, cats with asymmetrics, and small slow yachts with assymetrics, all racing in the same fleet on a handicap system to boost fleet numbers. 
Anything that floats that has a kite that is asymmetrical joins in..The parade of sail looks pretty but it ain't racing as i know it.

Needless to say I have given up racing my fast asymmetric dinghy. Not because the boat is too difficult to sail, - its easy.. could sail it by myself, but where's the fun in that - or there's no sea room.. there's 2square miles of sea room, or anything to do with the brilliant boat.. It's just that the racing is boring and the courses too short.

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