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    Posted: 18 Oct 13 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

Absolutely right James I would love it they have a load of 400's.  Best boat for us to race against, very close speed wise so I would be really happy to be racing them

Surely the best boat to race against would be other D1's?  
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That's why I said us not me.  But we are talking mixed fleet racing not class racing, so for me I am happy to race boat on boat with a 400!

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Originally posted by Ruscoe

But we are talking mixed fleet racing

contradiction in terms mate...  but I do admire this, even they probably view you as some billy-no-mates crewless pariah. 

Originally posted by Ruscoe

I am happy to race boat on boat with a 400!
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Originally posted by Ruscoe

Al, don't let facts get in the way of a good thread.
The actual numbers sailing are another matter entirely. But the three fleets that do get people racing are mixed Lasers, FF15s and Assymetric handicap (mixed from 2000s through to 49ers). Doesn't fit anyone's conveniant prejudices.
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Al- do they run a separate w/l course?
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Originally posted by JimC

At my club we tried W/L for a while, but the RS200 and RS400 sailors got bored with them and decided they wanted to sail 4 mark courses with the other classes.


Really? I can't wait for my club to set a windward/leeward course, being the only asymmetric boat it's never going to happen though....
Needs to sail more...
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Al- do they run a separate w/l course?


On Sundays they share a start but there is a W/L course for assys.  Wednesday evening SIs don't specify a course and I haven't been up there for racing so no idea.  I'm looking forward to joing the assy fleet any day now.
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Originally posted by laser193713

I have been watching and reading this for some time now. I struggle to understand this "apparent wind effect" chat. Are you really saying that most boats sail on true wind and only a few can sail on apparent wind. Errrr... fatal error in your physics here. I hate to break it to you all but every boat sails on apparent wind, just some the angle between apparent wind and true wind is greater due to increased hull speeds. 

I don't understand where you draw the line on this effect, there isnt a line in reality, it is just how sailing works... if everyone sailed AC72s would you say that a 49er is not an apparent wind boat. After all, the apparent wind angle on a 72 never goes above around 10 degrees, even downwind. On a 49er it generally hovers around 90 degrees, as a guess. 

Perhaps this will help dispel this tedious belief that some boats are apparent wind boats and some boats aren't. If it is just a loosely used term then I really struggle to understand how some boats are and some boats aren't? Is it a fixed difference in angle between TWA and AWA? Someone please explain!? 


I think 'apparent wind boat' means different things to different people, but if you had to define it, I'd suggest a boat that can exceed the windspeed, so when you gybe the wind goes around the front instead of around the back.
A 30ft 5 ton yacht can get its AWA well forwards in light air, but becomes a 'blow along boat' in force 4.
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Originally posted by winging it

Originally posted by yellowwelly

Al- do they run a separate w/l course?


On Sundays they share a start but there is a W/L course for assys.  Wednesday evening SIs don't specify a course and I haven't been up there for racing so no idea.  I'm looking forward to joing the assy fleet any day now.


Personally I can't get enough of decent w/l courses in planing conditions.
But as our club sails mostly in a harbour, with wind that does not read the forecast, I'm happy with a bit of variety as when a w/l course is nobbled by a 45deg shift, it's better to be doing RTC.
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That's another good point- waiting around for race officers to set square lines and true beats is one of those no-win situations for all- especially when it's cold, shifty, raining or just between races and the fleet and comm boat are getting a bit knackered.  (And I note, no fun for the RO either- damned if s/he waits, damned if s/he doesn't!)

I've certainly been kept hanging around far longer for w/l opens than any others I've done in the past.
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