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    Posted: 17 Oct 13 at 8:59am
I am short at 5ft 6inches and around 70-75kg. There are not a lot of single handers for me out there but there are a lot of double handed dinghies with either a big guy or a small lady. There can't really be that many people out there who are both tall and incredibly heavy. If you are just massively overweight and there are no dinghies available for you then you could also lose weight as opposed to creating a complete dinghy class for 10 people in the world and then adding insult to injury by making it an olympic class.
 
There are not many people at under 7ft who need to be over 110kg in which case they can sail a finn.
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It is true that the afore mentioned rugby players who dwarf Iain Percy are bulked up to the max. A less extreme form of training, concentrating on the fitness needed for sailing, would both see them lose muscle bulk, and so weight, and be far more healthy in the long term.

John1980, I'm a similar build to you, and I've found many singlehnders to suit my weight over the years. Many haven't kept my interest for very long, mind, but if I had the money time, skill and the love of steep learning curves, then the International Moth fits me, too.
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Originally posted by Rupert

The Megabyte is a sideshow, the Phantom only big in the UK. And neither would cater for the truly huge,.....

What would a boat for, say, 110kg plus people have to be? 16 feet Long, pretty wide, plenty of hull volume, 12 or 13 sqM of sail?
 


Define 'truely huge'

I'm a tad over 6ft 4 and weigh 120kgish, my Dad is 3 inches taller and a little lighter.

We both sail Phantoms. Its perfectly capable of carrying that weight and size person with only 10m2 of sail area without being a that long or that wide. You dont need more sail area if you are not sailing with something thats as flat as a pancake

If we ever want to sail together competitvely we have something for that, but its 32ft long and weighs in at 5t!!

So in our case ALL double handed dinghys (not including small keel boats such as Squib or K6) are too small and there is no alternative, but are we 'truely huge' or just normal, surronded by a bunch of midgets?

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well you weigh more than 95% of the population and are taller than 99% of the population  Wink


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Originally posted by Phil_1193

Originally posted by Rupert

The Megabyte is a sideshow, the Phantom only big in the UK. And neither would cater for the truly huge,.....

What would a boat for, say, 110kg plus people have to be? 16 feet Long, pretty wide, plenty of hull volume, 12 or 13 sqM of sail?
 


Define 'truely huge'

I'm a tad over 6ft 4 and weigh 120kgish, my Dad is 3 inches taller and a little lighter.

We both sail Phantoms. Its perfectly capable of carrying that weight and size person with only 10m2 of sail area without being a that long or that wide. You dont need more sail area if you are not sailing with something thats as flat as a pancake

If we ever want to sail together competitvely we have something for that, but its 32ft long and weighs in at 5t!!

So in our case ALL double handed dinghys (not including small keel boats such as Squib or K6) are too small and there is no alternative, but are we 'truely huge' or just normal, surronded by a bunch of midgets?

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Originally posted by davidyacht

Interesting point about talented sailors who do not go the Olympic route, Mathew Syed in excellent book "bounce" would have you think that there is no such thing as natural talent, what is required for top level performance is 10,000 hours of directed training.  


I'd disagree with that, having met a fair few naturally talented types in my time, it didn't matter what the sport, 'they' could just do it, instantly, a couple stand out, one a guy who picked up skiing and windsurfing so quickly it was almost that he was born to it, the other the guy that got me into sailing dinghies, a natural skier, snowboarder, windsurfer and dinghy sailor, automatically assumed I'd just get in an MPS like he had and sail it, which I did but was limited the same way he felt he was (he's light and not much taller than I). Having said that he did quite well in a euopeans I gather.

So rambling along, I do believe there are naturally talented people, but some of them don't push right through to win stuff, I believe winners have some psychological issues that drive them on and to the point they will be more than happy to do the 10,000 hours or push themselves to whatever is necessary to achieve their aim, but I also believe and this will set me up as a total nutter, but I believe in extra sensory perception, call it a gift of clear sight, call it psychic awareness, it's more usually manifested in women, blokes don't like to admit to it, it takes us into the realms of being a nutter, but it is very real and I believe in sports like sailing, it comes into play at times, not something easily switched on and off, not something everyone is even aware of, but I do believe some folk have it and others don't and if it happens to be part of being 'naturally talented' then no amount of training will put it in place, given it's a mental thing..

Mental ramble over.

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Before we all descend to johnreekie1980 depths of facile and well worn eerroneous arguments - we could reply that if he had eaten his porrige when a kid.....

1. Population averages present an out of date picture as they are based on measurements of present day adults. There is general agreement that amongst the teenagers of today there are many more tall people - the stats will only change in 25 years time.

In the same way BMI stats do not seem to cope. even skinny tall people are classed as borderline obsese

2. Rupert - I deliberately quoted the height and weight of a rugby player who was identical in size to Ian Percy - if Sexton is bulked up to the max then so is Percy. My point is that at 1m87 Sexton would be one of the shortest players on the pitch.

3 With current weight limits many Star sailors diet to get down to weight.

4.Phil - I know exactly how you feel. Perversely even the keelboats that can carry weightare introducing weight limits (Dragon, Etchell, J24, SB20....)

The simple fact is that for the larger young fit sailors, especially in inland dinghy sailing clubs, there is no obvious pathway for them to continue sailing, whilst they are being actively recruited by other sports (rowing, rugby, basketball...) As the average size of fit healthy kids increases sailing in Europe and North America will have a demographc problem.
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Originally posted by gordon

The simple fact is that for the larger young fit sailors, especially in inland dinghy sailing clubs, there is no obvious pathway for them to continue sailing, whilst they are being actively recruited by other sports (rowing, rugby, basketball...) As the average size of fit healthy kids increases sailing in Europe and North America will have a demographc problem.


Suggest you point them at windsurfing then, it has favoured tall weightier guys& gals ever since the basic sail size went from 7.5 to 9.5 and the Olympic board went from 7.4 to 9.8.

I guess the problem inland (as well as the water density making low volume boats perform in a more weight sensitive manner ) the general lack of windy and moderate wind races and gusty conditions favouring lighter folk, I still think lighter tall folk have an advantage which kids tend to be these days.

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Oddly enough I agree with most of that young fella. Anyone who is willing to go to such ends in order to win must be a little peculiar. We do need these oddities however because they give us something to watch on TV. ESP? Does it exist? Apparently dogs can seem very clever, smelling out your stash etc, but most of it is because they can be super observant and spot details that we miss. Why do some people spot brilliant business opportunities and others are left scratching our heads?

Is BA just a super sensor recording information and processing it or are the spirits feeding him that information. It is all much more subtle than I am. This big horse I am trying to ride requires constant information from me, gentle kick, soft pull and clench buttocks to stop. He is a clever boy who indulges me but when his young owner is on his back he does everything she requires with what seems like no communication... her buttock clenching is so subtle I cant see it. And I have looked.


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her buttock clenching is so subtle I cant see it. And I have looked.

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