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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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In other sports they refer to "trainability"
Believe me the youth system does turn out a lot of kids who can hike out or whatever but don't have sailors brains. Nobody gets to the very top at senior level internationally without having a) a real sailors brain b) the enthusiasm to love it even if you are doing it 200 days a year plus to the detriment of the rest of life c) real physical talent d) a lot of dedication. All of that has to be in place. |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Interesting and informative post which ignores that part of the challenge for Nick in the Finn was building a suitable physique. And that being full time is a massive aid to that. See posts above for nature/nurture and trainability. You can only lack so much of each before you can't cross the divide.
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Clive Evans ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 18 Feb 13 Location: Sydney Online Status: Offline Posts: 46 |
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what year did he do it? Results on the website only go back to 2005 i think
I notice that in 2005 paul goodison sailed the event with an olympic crew and he too didn;t win so i stand corrected
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Finn sailor ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Oct 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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True, weight and strength conditioning are a huge part of medium to heavy wind sailing in Finns as they are to a lesser degree in all classes. I did however race regularly against Nick and the top squad boys during that period and whilst Nick would beat the younger transition squad boys in light airs 50 percent of the time. He very rarely beat Ed Wright or Giles Scott in lighter tactical conditions. Ben Ainslie was so good he would only dabble with the Finn in uk events preferring to do and usually win the odd class 1 international and of course all those gold cups whilst in the main concentrating on match racing. He only really took it seriously (by his standards) on the 2yr lead up to an Olympics.
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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If you look at last years Merlin Nationals, an Olympian won it, but it was not a walkover.
This year Nick beat the people who were serious challenging said olympian. But different people excel in sailing in different ways. Only the full time olympic types probably reach their full potential. Perhaps many amateurs had the raw talent to be olympic standard but not everyone is singleminded enough. Several leagues above my level, but I only sail for my own pleasure. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Sailing well is as much a mental thing as it is physical and I believe you can OD on the physical and practise side to beyond the point of boredom, you lose your edge because frankly you've done it so often you take stuff for granted.
I watched every race at Weymouth and I can't say I saw any of the UK team at anything like what I would call being 'in the zone'.(Except that young radial lass she was having a blast) Whatever was going on for Nick and Alan I bet they were sure as hell in the zone up at Burnham and it's a far trickier piece of water to sail than Weymouth and yes I have sailed it. And that Finn racing? Kinetics, every bit as kinetic as my world became, yeah it's sailing, but not the sort of sailing where the old skills win. For me, the Dane won that Olympic event, hands down, this double point medal race bollox is just pure distortion to enable pro guys to regain temporary focus for effect, its not the sport I love. Edited by iGRF - 15 Oct 13 at 12:22am |
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Dougal ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Sep 09 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 556 |
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I thought for a moment you were going to celebrate British success then. But no, pulled it out the bag at the last minute. The planets are back in alignment and the spiritual world is happy again...
ps just how did the Dane win when BA was given the gold medal?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Never heard the term moral victory Dougal? Frankly I was ashamed that he lost, it may have been another win that sailing types love to think is acceptable, but that guy was absolutely storming and deserved the medal having it match and team raced away in one race that counts as double is not a fair result in my book. Any more than big money putting in advanced control systems mid event to win is either, so no the Ben Ainslie brand name doesn't cut it with me. Edited by iGRF - 15 Oct 13 at 9:11am |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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you stand more chance of convincing us you were right about the V-Twin than getting us to take off the rose tints when it comes to Serben.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Did I suggest I was trying to convince anyone about anything?
I'm simply stating my view which for some unlucky, badly wired brain control system reason, tends to be contrary to the popular view. So it, my brain, thinks a chap like Nick Craig is a better sailing competitor than Ben Ainslie, that is all. |
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