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    Posted: 14 Oct 13 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Clive Evans

I can categorically state that Ben would get 8 firsts assuming the mast he was given didnt break, the sails shread or someone forgot to empty the hull of the waste from when it was used at Glastonbury in the summer
It is a very tricky spot to sail but Ben has olympic medals from Savannah, sydney harbour, Athens, qingdao container terminal and Weymouth so I think he can handle the crouch/roach combination


So what you're saying then he wouldn't screw up the entire event get trashed in almost every race then have his ass saved by a bit of team racing by a mate in the medal race then?

I'm fairly sure he's not saying that...


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Of all the topics to use in order to provoke responses; Ben Ainslies lack of sailing ability is pretty weak. Although the attempt itself is at least noteworthy, well done.
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Originally posted by E.J.

Of all the topics to use in order to provoke responses; Ben Ainslies lack of sailing ability is pretty weak. Although the attempt itself is at least noteworthy, well done.

Ha ha all good banter :) interestingly enough I think the 'hairy Dane' at London 2012 was an amateur with a regular job? Or am I mistaken?
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Ben has competed at the Endeavour....Didn't wing eight races....Think Geoff Carveth won that year...
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Nick is a great sailor and a great guy too. I think he may have captained his team at Cambridge too, so brains too!
I heard or read that when his Dad died young, he used it as a cue to live each day to the max and do as much sailing as he could. I suspect an accommodating wife helps too!
I would say that a) Alan R will be a big key to this year's dominance - multiple emphatic 200 champion crew - 200s have been one of the hottest national fleetsin the last decade IMO b) I don't think the Endeavour is what it was 10y ago - not everyone turns up, many go for a laugh with a mate c) The sailing itself is, I hear, quite different i.e. very tidal, short races, odd boats, so having plenty of goes at it / experience of that very environment will be a big advantage.  c) Nick had a year or two in Finns, and I think got mid fleet internationally a few times. Bear in mind that he had been dominant in the OK before that, which is a very similar boat technically. I think he generally gets beaten in the Phants by Charlie Cumbley and Matt Howard who were, in their day top 25% in the Finn at a fair few international champs, which is another level up in quality.
Bear in mind that the majority of the sailors in olympic class competition are school or university age, combining training with study - some with full time work. Its not all full time athletes, and the top few do anything but hemorrhage cash whilst chasing that dream.
But I certainly feel that Nick's success also comes down to his versatility - he spreads himself around a lot of classes - whereas a lot of the best olympic guys are more one trick ponies - although they generally adapt quickly if they do try other stuff.

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True - wasn't Bart sailing with him too? Suspect they would have done better at the endeavour in RS400s at the time than Geoff would have in olympic laser sailing circa 1998
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I think it's pretty even in the phantoms Dan. nick has been nat champ beating Charlie and also Jim hunt and a few other quite useful helms at the same time. not ever seen matt Howard in a phantom but that's not to say he hasn't,I may have just missed it.

nick isn't afraid to go to smaller opens too and it is appreciated by the locals especially as previously mentioned about his willingness to impart knowledge to others

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Ah ok.
Suspect he does a lot more sailing than Charlie these days mind.
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Originally posted by iGRF

I bet that race with the tide is tactical as hell and one thing they don't teach Olympians very well (at least not in the bit I know about)is tactical and tidal stuff.

Errr sorry!? Which bit do you know about then? You are a tactical expert I know, it's easy doing tactics from the back!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GybeFunny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 13 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by iGRF

I wonder if Ben Ainslie or any other of those Olympians from Weymouth had taken the helm at that Endeavour with the crew of their choice wether the outcome would have been very different, personally I doubt it very much. I bet that race with the tide is tactical as hell and one thing they don't teach Olympians very well (at least not in the bit I know about)is tactical and tidal stuff.

No need to wonder, Patience/Bithell who won the 470 Silver at Weymouth did the Endeavour last year (just a few months after the games), they didnt win!

Didnt Nick learn to sail on Frensham Pond? I guess if you can race well there you can race well anywhere!
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