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    Posted: 18 Sep 13 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly


I'm not sure Spartan wetsuits are really good for dinghy sailing though ..


You can say that again, funny I was ordering wetsuits from the Oneil rep yesterday and they don't do surface sport suits really nor any dinghy specific, the rep actually suggested Neil Pryde or Gul, seemed to think there were some re-enforced butt suits, I've trashed every suit I own with this sitting down nonsense..

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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Hunts is a good example of a sailing club with a future- it's growing!  Paul do you see more or less asymmetric dinghies there now?

As Nessa has said we have a 200 that is sailed by a husband and wife team (used to do very well in the Miracle fleet before the got the 200).

We also have a couple of youth team who have some old Laser 3000s (that go very well in a breeze).

An RS400 that is more of a liability when it is out.

The odd 2000.

A couple of Vagos (not including the club owned Vagos)

And at least 1 Buzz (but that has not races as yet).

Symmetric wise we have the nucleus of a fleet. We have one very fast boat (usually near the front are Fireball Opens) another where the couple who sail are getting back in to it after having kids. Another that is sailed come hell or high water (and that likes to eat Solos) and another couple who are either about to buy or who has just bought one.

We also have a Wanderer, a 470 the odd GP14 and a Mirror or 2.

No real decline, in fact growth in both types of kite. My preference is for Symmetric though, but then again I am biased!
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I'm another one off the their lake this afternoon too.  I'll be windsurfing probably given the abundance of breeze today, although the retired guys will be out in the Solos if I fancy a dinghy dash instead... I'm not sure Spartan wetsuits are really good for dinghy sailing though and those truly awesome hikers from Sandiline are hanging in the garage, not in my kit bag.

we need a HWIFY forum as this has no bearing on asymmetric dinghies.  But if I were guessing, there'll be none out today or this evening- despite the fresh breeze that actually sits in their narrow wind range of fun sailing.

I think I'd rather have a cat than an asymmetric.  




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that X1 riverboat that is going to the FOM would be ideal for our lake. 

I am off there to sail the contender for a little while this afternoon, but will probably get fed up as usual.  Not enough space.

An Icon would also be great at Hunts.  One of our regualrs has just bought an old Tasar.  An Icon would be the more modern choice and should also replace the ents still chugging round.
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Originally posted by winging it

foilers will have the same issue as fast assymetircs - most club waters are too small for

Yes I can see that now, thanks to my lake adventures which hopefully should continue this very afternoon. However I still think something like the Icon with a kite option would be an answer, it's just smal enough to be used on the lake, maybe even with a kite if it could be deployed and recovered quickly = small, then with a larger option for the sea. I can't understand why builders don't make their boats more 'convertible' and thus more versatile. I guess it's the necessity to class convention getting in the way as usual..
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Originally posted by iGRF

I'm thinking of jacking the V2 hull up on foils how mad would that be.. I need to see how they do their self levelling thing at times they seem to be up on the one foil,
I feel a new thread coming on...

LOL let's hope the Lord doesn't find your thread.... that would be one rather hilarious bit of sailing forum history in the making.  Lord vs Fuller

(on your other points you are quite right... too expensive, too limited, too unnecessary.  The fad is over.)
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foilers will have the same issue as fast assymetircs - most club waters are too small for the speed!

At the moment Hunts has a couple of 3000s racing, quite a few vagos (we bought two with our Sport England grant last year) plus an RS200.  I think a couple of buzzes will be venturing out soon too.  There were some 2000s racing when I joined a few years back but we don't see them racing now.  There is an rS400 at the club but really the water is too small.

Otherwise mostly we see a lot of single handers plus a couple of fireballs, some Ents, a Merlin, an occasional 470. 

I will be racing my contender at Grafham this winter, until I get the D1 which will either go to Grafham which does good assy racing, or Oxford with the other guys. 
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Hunts is a good example of a sailing club with a future- it's growing!  Paul do you see more or less asymmetric dinghies there now?


Loaded question really, the growth if any I would venture to suggest is probably in single handers generally and currently there are no easily accessible single hander by either price or ease of use on the market. If that situation were to change as it may yet with the Echo or whatever the kited Blaze cut down Icon is for example then the act of using them might increase

I tend to the view that foils are going to continue to grow, hell after watching that AC I'm thinking of jacking the V2 hull up on foils how mad would that be.. I need to see how they do their self levelling thing at times they seem to be up on the one foil, I feel a new thread coming on...
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

The bottom line, it left me questioning the point of an asymmetric on anything without the power to weight ratio offer proper apparent wind sailing.
Always been the case. However it was picked-up by the mainstream builders because 1) it was easier to use, and 2) it was fashionable.

Once the fashion fad ran its course, people were going to start noticing that pole kites were a better solution for all but a few classes.

WRT the development class scene, I think we're going to see a split in the next 5-10 years, with some going the wing/foiling route, and others going the horsepower route with bigger rigs and powerful kites.
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Hunts is a good example of a sailing club with a future- it's growing!  Paul do you see more or less asymmetric dinghies there now?
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