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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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While all the rest of the fleet go thundering past? Engaging just one other boat in a handicap race is very rarely a good idea.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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The rules don't actually forbid the dial-down, and the TR RR Call Gordon cited points out that once boats are beam-reacing towards one another, even rule 16.2 (which is NOT switched off for Team Racing), won't apply. The rules just make boats initiate the dial-down a bit further apart, and in the case of MR damp down how far and how fast the initiating boat can go.
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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I can think of situations where it could be a good idea, especially if you are bringing series points into the equation- forcing your opposition down the pan even further, whilst maintaining your 'good result' on corrected time might be a play worth considering. But thanks for the clarity- much appreciated.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Now suppose that Stbd has "dialed down" at some distance, and then ports luffs up so that they are now going to clear starboards bow. I suspect 16.2 comes into play again and there could be circumstances where S ends up having sailed themselves into ducking port...
There's never been any great shortage of amateur lawyers when it comes to RRS... Edited by JimC - 16 Sep 13 at 2:38pm |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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certainly a feasible scenario... especially on a shifty puddle.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Once P is no longer 'keeping clear by sailing to pass astern of S', 16.2 goes OFF and its pure 16.1
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Love it. But remember, rule 16.2 is only really going to apply when S is deliberately hunting down. S is going to know what they are doing.
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Jim C - could you explain how port tack luffing to clear starboard's bow could possibly be interpreted as keeping clear by sailing to pass astern! 16.2 cannot apply if port tack boat is crossing a starboard boat's bow.
However in this situation starboard would have to remeber to give port room to keep clear if she (starboard) changes course. I always suggest that on a two (or more) handed boat that one person should always be saying whether boat is ROW or keep clear... |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Yeah, fair comment, didn't read the rule carefully enough. Just 16.1 applies.
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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Picking up the OP's point, I'd say that one situation where a dial down can be hugely beneficial, even when sailing in a fleet, is when P is about level with S and likely to make a lee bow tack stick.
If S bears off a bit whilst still a few boat lengths away she speeds up and forces P to tack sooner than they would otherwise have done. As soon as P commits to the tack S resumes their close hauled course and immediately gets separation as well as gaining speed, so instead of being lee-bowed she will now have every chance of rolling the other boat. |
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