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    Posted: 16 Sep 13 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Timmus

soon there will be little purches on board for solicitors and health and safety execs.

"ready to tack?"
"legal?...Yo!"

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Love it.
 
But remember, rule 16.2 is only really going to apply when S is deliberately hunting down.
 
S is going to know what they are doing.
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Originally posted by JimC

Now suppose that Stbd has "dialed down" at some distance, and then ports luffs up so that they are now going to clear starboards bow. I suspect 16.2 comes into play again and there could be circumstances where S ends up having sailed themselves into ducking port...
certainly a feasible scenario... especially on a shifty puddle.   Confused  
 
Once P is no longer 'keeping clear by sailing to pass astern of S', 16.2 goes OFF and its pure 16.1
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Originally posted by JimC

Now suppose that Stbd has "dialed down" at some distance, and then ports luffs up so that they are now going to clear starboards bow. I suspect 16.2 comes into play again and there could be circumstances where S ends up having sailed themselves into ducking port...

certainly a feasible scenario... especially on a shifty puddle.   Confused  
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Now suppose that Stbd has "dialed down" at some distance, and then ports luffs up so that they are now going to clear starboards bow. I suspect 16.2 comes into play again and there could be circumstances where S ends up having sailed themselves into ducking port...

Originally posted by Timmus

soon there will be little purches on board for solicitors

There's never been any great shortage of amateur lawyers when it comes to RRS...

Edited by JimC - 16 Sep 13 at 2:38pm
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Originally posted by Brass

Originally posted by yellowwelly

Thanks Gordon and Brass... the other area of application I thought of was in a handicap race, dialling down a boat that is faster on the spreadsheet.
While all the rest of the fleet go thundering past?
 
Engaging just one other boat in a handicap race is very rarely a good idea.

I can think of situations where it could be a good idea, especially if you are bringing series points into the equation- forcing your opposition down the pan even further, whilst maintaining your 'good result' on corrected time might be a play worth considering.

But thanks for the clarity- much appreciated.
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Originally posted by catmandoo

its not allowed in handicap racing !!!

unless your match racing on handicap  Wink
The rules don't actually forbid the dial-down, and the TR RR Call Gordon cited points out that once boats are beam-reacing towards one another, even rule 16.2 (which is NOT switched off for Team Racing), won't apply.
 
The rules just make boats initiate the dial-down a bit further apart, and in the case of MR damp down how far and how fast the initiating boat can go. 
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Thanks Gordon and Brass... the other area of application I thought of was in a handicap race, dialling down a boat that is faster on the spreadsheet.
While all the rest of the fleet go thundering past?
 
Engaging just one other boat in a handicap race is very rarely a good idea.
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its not allowed in handicap racing !!!


unless your match racing on handicap  Wink


Edited by catmandoo - 16 Sep 13 at 1:14pm
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Thanks Gordon and Brass... the other area of application I thought of was in a handicap race, dialling down a boat that is faster on the spreadsheet.
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You might like to read a recent Team Racing Rapid response call - which deals with the situation without "in effect" creating a new rule, which the MR call does:

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/RapidResponseTeamRacingCall2013.003-%5B15202%5D.pdf

The essence of this call is :
- a boat is sailing to pass astern when she is altering course to pass astern even if her heading does not yet pass astern
- a ROW boat can change course in a dial down as long as she gives the keep clear boat room to keep clear.

The manoeuvre is frequent in classes such as the 6m, the 5.5m and such like which typically sail in small fleets so one on one manoeuvres play an important part in racing tactics.
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