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    Posted: 08 Aug 13 at 10:49am
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.... putting a kid in some weird ass boat some adult decides is cooler is just cruel.


Isn't that what's going on now, putting kids in some weird ass box with a gaff rig?

Because adults think it's right because it's what happened to them..


This winter thousands of kids will take to the Alps snaking behind the aromas of stale coffee and damp gauloise. They will do it on traditional narrow alpine skis following traditional styles of alpine skiing.
I'd have thought most of them will actually be on fairly fat nose and tail modern carvers, shorter than they are tall, rather than the long skinny things I learnt on in the late 80s/early 90s.
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Yes- subtle modern improvements. but they aren't on boards, trick skis etc. - the same way a new winner optimist ain't the same as the wooden thing I had as my first boat. Baby and bath water argument- so we, new parents with enough money and will to introduce sailing, should junk everything established and put our kids in something new to redevelop the wheel? No way....

and no need for eastern block comparisons, the Bic is openly available for any parent child who wants it. Just don't be upset when you turn up to a rugby match with a croquet set and no one wants to play with you.

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Modern short carver s are like Bics in comparsion to the Optimist skis I learnt on.
 
(excepting of course that the long skis I had as a kid were faster)
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Not sure how the Byte is the future, seeing as it is a 35 year old design based on a 40 year old one, and not sure why, if it can't stand on its own 2 feet, the RYA should prop it up. As a sailing experience, it is nice, but so are several other boats in that range. The Streaker is an ideal kids boat - light, fairly small sail area, easily driven hull. It is selling well - no idea whether it sells to kids, though. Lightning has a bigger rig, but there are juniors sailing it, and no thoughts that the RYA should be supporting it over other boats.

I suppose the argument for support (for the Byte and for the Bic) is that it would enable our kids and young people to race internationally in boats other than the Oppie, Laser radial & 4.7, Mirror, Cadet, Tera, Feva, 420, 29er - oh, there do seem to be a few already...

Now, what is missing from that list is a singlehanded version of the 29er. Some will say that if it was wanted, it would exist already. But I can remember saying that about the 29er when it came out, and it appears I was wrong! The Byte is not that boat.
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the RS100 hull has quite a resemblance to the 29er hull
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And with 6 boats at the last open, it's clearly the future....
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haha - that was not the point I was trying to make:-)
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

And with 6 boats at the last open, it's clearly the future....

Really,  you mean RS 100's...only 6? That makes me feel better.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Not sure how the Byte is the future, seeing as it is a 35 year old design based on a 40 year old one, and not sure why, if it can't stand on its own 2 feet, the RYA should prop it up. As a sailing experience, it is nice, but so are several other boats in that range. The Streaker is an ideal kids boat - light, fairly small sail area, easily driven hull. It is selling well - no idea whether it sells to kids, though. Lightning has a bigger rig, but there are juniors sailing it, and no thoughts that the RYA should be supporting it over other boats.

I suppose the argument for support (for the Byte and for the Bic) is that it would enable our kids and young people to race internationally in boats other than the Oppie, Laser radial & 4.7, Mirror, Cadet, Tera, Feva, 420, 29er - oh, there do seem to be a few already...

Now, what is missing from that list is a singlehanded version of the 29er. Some will say that if it was wanted, it would exist already. But I can remember saying that about the 29er when it came out, and it appears I was wrong! The Byte is not that boat.

I agree with you entirely Rupert but it is an attempt at modernity. Please see my argument regarding a development body. The first thing we can do is ask them to sort out a single handed 29er! Then we can burn all the radials.
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Can't we just put foils on all the radials and send them somewhere with steady trade winds?
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