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    Posted: 06 Aug 13 at 9:07am
Seems that whilst we have been ignoring it in the UK, the Open Bic has been going from strength to strength elsewhere...

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/171373/World-Open-Bic-Cup-at-Lake-Garda-overall

Better than the Topper and Tera??
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We had the demo fleet at our club. The Bic is a great boat once you know how to sail. The Tera and topper can teach you but then if you want to go on the bic is good, that would mean buying another boat with little following in this country.

The downside are the windsurfer style rig, it's fully batterened, the hull is quite tippy to learn in and not suitable for new sailors.

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I disagree, I think it's only downside is it's weight, other than that my daughter in her earlier years had an easier time in it than some of the other garbage on offer at local sailing establishments including those ridiculous square box things they force kids into.

The rig is far better, two part carbon epoxy mast, albeit only 30 ish percent, but it's OK, it resists our shingle beach, her little trick was to sail down the beach and splash into the water, then put the dagger in, great summer fun.

The only drawback she needed a pretty hefty friend to lift it as we didn't have a launch trolley.

Funnily enough it's for sale if anyone's interested, she's long since moved on to high heels and things that don't get her hair wet.
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sorry RT, I dont agree - its a great boat for small people to learn in - it is so easy to right after a capsize and self draining that capsizing just isnt an issue.  And (eek) I agree with GRF that the rig is good and modern, far more appealing than some old ragged boats that need bailing

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We have one for sale, used once and comes with both rigs...That is the race rig and the dacron training version.
It is a great little boat.
   
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Originally posted by iGRF

garbage on offer at local sailing establishments including those ridiculous square box things they force kids into.

You poor boy Stern Smile

When will you learn what real dinghy racing is about? Wink  I have been at regattas where there have been 300+ square 'boxy things' and the level of racing is, almost, second to none.

Dinghy racing is not a about pure speed, it's about skill which incorporates getting maximum speed out of your chosen boat but also boat handling, strategy and tactics which the 'square box' sailors seem to learn very well in such competitive fleets.

Maybe it's time for IGRF to move into high heels and something that doesn't his hair wet  Wink
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I can see that if you get a big fleet, it might be fun for racers in an Oppi, but for those with less racy ambitions, I'm with GRF on this one. We use them for getting the small ones learning the very basics, but once they can go there and back, the Tera and Toppers allowchildren to learn to sail in something which allows you to move around, play at capsizing, take friends with them etc.
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Condemning kids into boxes that early certainly assures they continue into similar boxes like Solos later in life I'll give you that.

But tell me what's the difference between 300 old boxes and 300 Bic opens racing, other of course than the fact one looks vaguely appealing and the other looks like er a box with a crude makeshift sail attached to it.

That's why there are only 300 out of a population of how many million kids?

Edited by iGRF - 06 Aug 13 at 7:25pm
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Whoops!  300 Bics at one event? I doubt it  Big smile   The 300 boxes I referred to were at a relatively small event in mainland Europe.  I have no idea how many you might get at a major event  Smile

Missed the point again - proper racing  LOL
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They are loved by the kids at our club. Look racier. Rig choices seem to work excellently. They can climb back in easily too. There was concern that they would not be good in waves, but if Graeme's girl sailed one at hythe I guess we can out that to bed too. Certainly much easier than the plastic oppies some of the kids have.
I will be getting one for my kids when they are ready.

Andy

Edited by andymck - 06 Aug 13 at 8:02pm
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