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    Posted: 22 May 13 at 8:52am
Originally posted by Mister Nick



Refering to the RS500... what do you mean by 'it's history', just out of interest?


Lets just say it took a lot of 'prototypes' to get right and then there were doubts that it was, and I owned one for a couple of years, I didn't know as much back then as I do now and interesting that I've had a PM I can't discuss from an enthusiastic 500 owner who claims to have unlocked the mystery but wants to win this year so I'm forbidden from disclosing the secret until the end of the season once the Trophy cabinet is full.

It is also pretty overpowered from memory when I had my tall heavier crew so not necessarily going to do it for us.
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The Assy Fireball was quicker than the standard, the reason because they used a bigger assy so all they really proved that if you have a bigger kite you go faster downwind. 

The members weren't taken by it and the class decided to stay as they are. 

It was not a swinging pole. 


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Originally posted by Rupert

If GRF already has the FB, then it makes it by far the best choice to butcher, surely?Somehow, scow bowed boats with a bowsprit always look somewhat strange, but plenty of the yankee scows have them, so they must work.The FB's tried it in the early days, but I think there was a lack of true understanding of what makes am assy boat work well, and how much bigger the kite needs to be than a sym one for it to actually be faster round the course.


On the money there Rupert posting at the same time, I haven't got one yet, thought I'd research a bit more this time rather than just jumping in.
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the beauty of frankenboats are that you set the rules.   As such, no need for a complex retracting pole systems, simply bolt it on and add a couple of cheezes for support.

Sure, it might make sense to have stepped back to bags in the symmetric mode- wasn't it Rodney Pat or Lawrie Smith who influenced that?  But to go back to bags on an asymmetric.... oooh, dangerously close to being another 'washerwoman' like Mr Storer.
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I reckon a hornet would make the perfect baseboat, nice big chute, similar sized crews to fireball, but much more freeboard.  Nice looking boats, always wanted one years ago.
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Posts: 6499 		Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 13 at 9:25am
So, next question has anyone built an epoxy wash through down to weight version and if so from what number would that likely be?

And if as someone pointed out they were for home build are there plans anywhere still?

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just a side thought... whatever happened to the Peaky's NS14 hull?  

Doesn't it live somewhere in the Icon prototype archive somewhere nr Reading?  

Worth giving Mike a call... if he won't sell it at a very reasonable price (you're doing him a favour giving him back real estate aren't you?), well if he won't budge, threaten to buy an Icon confirming you absolutely will add wires and a kite and post photos of the 'new and improved' iKon all over the internet.... you could even call it 'Baby-sham' for added insult   LOL
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why not take a different route and adopt a contender hull?  Centreboard, carbon spars available, easily big enough for two, assy adaptations already tried.  A fireball jib would fit well.  Nicer sea boat than the fireball (imho)

Alternatively I have a foreman 4g cherub hull here, waiting for a false floor and assy conversion.  If you weren't afraid of trying to fit a centreboard that would suit really well, especially given your size issues.

And as I'm always saying, I have a 14ft kevlar hull here, would also need the centreboard conversion, but would make a good prototype.  Weight 45kg.


Edited by winging it - 22 May 13 at 9:46am
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by winging it


why not take a different route and adopt a contender hull?  Centreboard, carbon spars available, easily big enough for two, assy adaptations already tried.  A fireball jib would fit well.  Nicer sea boat than the fireball (imho)


That's not as stupid a suggestion as some might think actually, you're right, there is room for a jib and you could sort the main so there is room to duck under, it might be a bit canine in light weather, but no that's locked in for consideration. Good out of box thinking there wing wang, well make a modern lass of you yet
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