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    Posted: 22 Apr 13 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Neptune

relatively a 70's finn would have been much cheaper surely.....simpler aluminium rigs and dacron sails


Nothing is ever cheap about a multiple supplier Olympic Class. Everything is always the best it can possibly be within the letter of the rules.

Olympic level is always going to cost, but the boat probably pales compared to the other campaign costs.
I thought most 'old' classes were properly controlled, with many boats getting measured and weighed at big events?
Merlins are very organised with check weighing, the min weight includes the board and some of the string, they have a 3 point scale which takes the trolley wheels and bow, while the boom and mainsheet etc are lifted by helpers. Then the boat is lifted and the scales weigh the trolley to deduct that.
A few minutes per boat and accurate enough to deter chancers.
Of course when built, the boat would have been measured and the weight of its correctors recorded, and these should not be reduced without a formal re-weighing and ammended cert.
I thought all serious non-smods were like that!

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The Contender is like that. Bare hull Measured at birth and then at any international events thereafter; with the Cert changed only by a recognised measurer. All the accessories go through the same process. Not too difficult to get them all on weight with such a generous minimum!

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Firefly similar to that, too, and the British Moth.
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Originally posted by marke


I recall the DWSC Finn fleet when I was a nipper in the mid 70's.  It really was a sight to behold with great turnouts and competiton EVERY weekend (and it wasn't just big guys - there were lots of normal size people (admittedly wearing weight jackets).  My recollection was that Mike Astley was the reason that happened - he put so much effort into building the fleet (loaning his spare boat, coaching, organising personal handicap racing (sail the first beat, wait at the first mark for X seconds and then return to the race), even to clearing the weed using a serrated drag and his jag X12).  I benefited as well as he did a lot to enthuse the youngsters in the club - certainly can still remember him teaching me to gybe down a slalom course in a F5 that (of course) he installed.The growth of the laser may have had something to do with the slow decline of the Finn at DWSC, but I think it was probably Mike finally getting too old in his late 60s to sail a Finn to the standard he wanted.Best way to build a fleet - find a Mike Astley.Mark






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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 13 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Why are the classes not "real", Paramedic?If more people are sailing them, more people buying them, doesn't that make "our" world the unreal one?



I think you've taken that comment slightly out of context ;)

The point was that as people learn more about sailing and how/why boats work they are likely to change class to one that offers better racing/stiffer hull/better performance to match changing aspirations.

I don't see any of the rotomould boats fitting the requirements of the enthusiastic racer with the obvious exception of the Feva for juniors.
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Sounds about right to me - although as a completely versatile boat (and not bad in shandycapping) the vago one up doesn't look too bad.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Sounds about right to me - although as a completely versatile boat (and not bad in shandycapping) the vago one up doesn't look too bad.


We had one on demo when they first came out and I thought they had huge potential.

In the 4 years that have passed I think ive seen two racing and unfortunately this was at different events years apart!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 13 at 9:21pm
If boats are identical apart from one being 10kgs lighter I know which one I want ... seems a simple case of check what you are buying.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by pondmonkey

Sounds about right to me - although as a completely versatile boat (and not bad in shandycapping) the vago one up doesn't look too bad.


We had one on demo when they first came out and I thought they had huge potential.

In the 4 years that have passed I think ive seen two racing and unfortunately this was at different events years apart!

I saw a couple being raced down in South Cerney- to be honest, they changed my prejudice against 'their ilk'.  A bit like a grown up Feva, and there's nothing wrong with a Feva - great little boat!  

I also saw one at a few SJ events- singlehanded, kited and not capsizing everywhere.  Plenty of performance... I'd almost be tempted myself  LOL 


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Have you tried trapezing a Vago?

We had one for a week's demo at WSC.  By the second weekend, nobody wanted to sail it any more.  The last to try were a pair of guys who regularly trapezed in club racing but declared it was hopeless on the Vago.  Curious to try the boat, we found this to be an exaggeration, but my crew did indeed fall over while on the wire (onto me!). Problems all to do with the deep cockpit and slippery sides from what I recall.

Edit: I'd always assumed that consistency of weight would be a strength of rotomoulds, but I read recently that even with them variations could be large.  I can't imagine how, given that it is only a question of weighing out a quantity of plastic beads to chuck into the mould...


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