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    Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 9:12pm
Musto's have published weights with and without fittings
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by iGRF

It was a bit of man kit L19244 nothing you'd have any experience of mate...

I was just correcting your statement that the 200 main jammer was 2kgs with referenced and linked facts ... mate ...
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Originally posted by transient

.Recently there's been some boat weighing at the club, this was prompted by the variation in 2000 hull weights (our 2k sailors being uber competitive)

I'd love to know the results of the 2k weighing session - there is so much mythology that has built up over the years about the early boats being lighter.
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I don't know of any 2000 myths. I sailed one a few times though, never again, too heavy on the beach for my liking.

As for the weighing session, I'll dig the facts out and report back.

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by transient

.Recently there's been some boat weighing at the club, this was prompted by the variation in 2000 hull weights (our 2k sailors being uber competitive)

I'd love to know the results of the 2k weighing session - there is so much mythology that has built up over the years about the early boats being lighter.

I have had experience first hand having my parents sail a 2000 and there is a big difference so much so that one couple sold their new boat and bought an old one then won the islands and nationals in the same year. 

You may say it is only a 2000 and not a racing machine but who wants to go out there knowing that their boat side by side is slower before they have got off the beach. 


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I guess it depends how much overweight the boat is, I know for a fact that a number of very successful Merlins have been around 10 kilos over back in the days of wooden boats.

Personally I think hull weight is a mind thing rather than a race wining/losing issue, provided of course you're talking about reasonable limits! I wouldn't worry about being around 10% over.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 13 at 8:38am
Originally posted by Paramedic

I guess it depends how much overweight the boat is, I know for a fact that a number of very successful Merlins have been around 10 kilos over back in the days of wooden boats.

Personally I think hull weight is a mind thing rather than a race wining/losing issue, provided of course you're talking about reasonable limits! I wouldn't worry about being around 10% over.
 
I think wooden Merlins are a special case, as the wider ones were more powerful but hard to build down to weight.
A few kilos might not hurt much, but in many classes small differences matter.
There are SMOD sailors who weigh hulls and reject the heavy ones.
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10 kilos sounds a hell of a lot. It wasn't unusual for Cherubs to be 5 or 10lbs over in the days of wood boats though, especially before the best building techniques were worked out in the 80s. The min weight was certainly regarded as somewhat aspirational raher than essential.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 13 at 9:09am
 For an IC breakdown is :
         
Hull     22.0      
Fittings/string     6.3      
Carriage    4.0      
Daggerboard    1.4      
Rudder/Cassette/Tiller    1.2      
Tiller extension    0.3      
Mast (rigged)    5.0      
Boom   1.3      
Sliding Seat    8.5      
TOTAL    50.0     (=  minimum weight as the rule )
Plus sails   4.2

= all up weight 54.2kg

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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 13 at 9:11am
Doing well in races depends on getting many things right in my view. Some things are small, some are large......Hull weight variation is one of those things. If my dinghy were 10 Kgs over I would sell the boat. 
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