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    Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

The phantom hull weight is as per jims comment. All loose rope, rudder, mast and boom are removed, the rest is weighed and must be no less than 61kgs. If less then upto 3kgs of correctors can be fitted.

As for the 200 I guess that the all up weight includes the mast, boards, pole and other fittings so I reckon that would soon mount up

the 200  88-91 figure is for a fitted (with CB) hull only.


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I rang RS and they told me the 78 kg figure is for an unfitted hull, fitted it should weight 88-91 kgs.


12kgs of fittings, what are they made of lead?

Something still does not add up.

Fittings include: centre board, blocks, cleats, toe straps, bungee, hatches, bowsprite, spinny shute, shroud plates, screws rope and stickers + several short curly hairs that I found in mine Tongue 

Wow ... so a bit more than "fittings" then ... what does it get up to when you add the rig?

I guess this is where the one-design & dev class owner gets a better deal, when you have a certificate you know exactly what you are getting and how much the bits weigh.

When you buy a SMOD you get what the marketing blub tells you which may not be what you expect as you have found out ... buyer beware I guess ... do your homework before you buy ...
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It's pretty standard to weigh things that have stuff added to them later and publish the bare hull weight, we do it in sailboards. Fins and foils can weigh differing amounts, as can footstraps. So with all the garbage bits that get added to dinghies I can quite believe they weigh up to 12 kgs, that swivel thing that holds the main sheet is a good couple of kilos, tiller and rudder combos can weigh a couple of kilos difference depending who makes them, as I bet can the blocks.

So it's OK, what's not OK is that the damn things weigh more than thirty two kilos in the first place. If they were airline baggage they would be banned under health and safety terms. No dinghy should be permitted to weigh 50 kgs all up imv.

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Originally posted by L123456

when you have a certificate you know exactly what you are getting and how much the bits weigh.

Don't reckon I'd go quite as far as that... Boat weights are notoriously difficult to compare because there are so many different configurations you can measure in them.

Very few classes measure all up weight, and even where you have vaguely comparable stripped weights there may be widely varying minimum weights for other things like foils, spars and so on, and then centreboard boats normally include the centreboard in measured weight, daggerboard boats normally exclude it, the list goes on...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by iGRF

... that swivel thing that holds the main sheet is a good couple of kilos,

Dunno what kit you are buying but it is about 400g.


Before SMODs come along we all had an understanding of what "hull weight" was and it was a hull with fittings and control lines weighed dry, it was a ready to sail hull ... the "marketing men" have twisted this ...


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It was a bit of man kit L19244 nothing you'd have any experience of mate...
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You can have a SMOD and still measure the weight - Tasars have a hull + fittings (ie no spars, sheets or foils) of 68kg, which was IIRC the average of the fleet when the rule was created. My boat is a 1977 model that has been allowed to put on weight but is still carrying about 2.5kg of lead.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

You can have a SMOD and still measure the weight - Tasars have a hull + fittings (ie no spars, sheets or foils) of 68kg, which was IIRC the average of the fleet when the rule was created. My boat is a 1977 model that has been allowed to put on weight but is still carrying about 2.5kg of lead.


The Tasar was well ahead of its time. What other Smods have weight rules and publish their weights?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 8:23pm
when we bought laser 2000s to add to the training fleet we were told that they were significantly lighter than the wayfarers we also use.

They are not. Again the published weight was bare hull only.

I doubt that the wayfarers are even remotely down to weight but I still thought it was a bit "naughty".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 13 at 8:25pm

B14 class rules (2010 edition) specifies hull weight, and specifies that it includes permanently attached fittings. Rules are currently being revised to make weighing simpler (including wings, for a start)  

Edit: of course, B14s share a fair bit else with Tasars...



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