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Poll Question: Has 'the line' been crossed by events at the Sailjuice Series
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    Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 11:43am
The problem with lines and more relaxed attitudes to rules is that where do you draw the line?

I would expect any sailor participating at an 'Open' event, whether it be handicap or class to have a working knowledge of and comply with the rules of our sport. this includes ensuring your boat is compliant with class rules.

At Club level where (I would say 100% of us) learn to race then attitudes can be more relaxed. You do not want to be hollering (and bullying) people who are just starting out on their racing forays as they are the future of the sport.

We had a guy at Hunts who was a really vocal person and was particularly unpleasant to some of our younger members. As a result our youth section suffered badly for a few years. He has now moved on and we have a thriving youth section producing some good racers and a lot of instructors.

As to the original question... if the guys knew their sails were unmeasured then yes they did break the rules. Did they cross the line? In my opinion yes. they are top sailors in their class and they should be leading by example.
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People need to obey the rules. I have no problem with individuals not knowing the rules through inexperience if they try to comply and have a general view of learning from their mistakes. No one is infallible. My view is that sailors should discuss the incident prior to the protest room and if they cannot agree then I have no qualms about going to the room.
 
I have seen in the past a type of sailor who knows he is in the wrong but also knows the nuances of a protest committee and exploits that to the full. This is not honourable conduct and in my experience is what turns people off sailing the most.
 
We have all seen it the blatant port and starboard, mark touching which all require typically a witness in addition to the protestee to make it stick. It is this apathy within a class that results in no witnesses coming forward and eventually leads to people leaving the class. 
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agree completely with jeffers - nicely written
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I don't mind folks turning up with as yet unmeasured sails if they measure when the time comes. Done it myself come to that.

I do mind folks turning up with unmeasured sails if they know they won't measure. That's plain wrong and IMO a Fair Sailing (Rule 2) breach with all the potential consequences.

If the class changes the goal posts on you so sails you had every reason to suppose were going to measure suddenly don't then the sporting thing to do is RAF, but I don't know I'd consider it to really justify a Rule 2 hearing and a potential ban from sailing.

The Fireball Assn has created any amount of confusion on this issue with statements after the event which apparently contradict statements made before the event. This is not helpful!
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Originally posted by gbr940

agree completely with jeffers - nicely written

+1 - well expressed Paul 
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Here is an example where rules is rules goes wrong.




Edited by 2547 - 26 Feb 13 at 3:49pm
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The rules of England netball might say if you are not paid up you are not eligable. It is harsh but at the end of the day the subs would have been posted at the correct amount and the other amount missed.

Do not forget this is competing at a national level where I think we all agree the rules should be abided by.
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should everone who competes at an open handicap event also be a member of their class association?
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by winging it

should everone who competes at an open handicap event also be a member of their class association?
Yes I believe so ... 
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I reckon given the gravitas the events seem to hold it would only be right to be a CA member- you are effectively representing your class at these events, as shown by the apparent requirement for the UKFA to make a statement in relation to this issue.
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