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    Posted: 23 Feb 13 at 9:19am
I know that in some competitions (eg match racing) the 'two turn' penalty has been replaced by a 'one turn' penalty. There is even a  'prescription' to the US Sailing version of the RRS that gives this option. Has anybody come across this at club level, and if so is it a good or bad thing? As one who sails a multihull in a dinghy fleet, I would welcome it!

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We have this at our club and the thinking behind it is that it encourages people to take their penalties and comply, as opposed to ignore rules.

"My personal view" is that it doesn't work! Small bumps get diminished in gravity and the more serious racers push the limits and don't get properly penalised for infringements and are back in the race without loosing any ground.

It has to be said that "circuit racers" are not in this category having learnt a sailing culture outside the club.

I could go on but suffice it to say, I don't agree with the idea.  Thumbs Down
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On the odd occassion where I know I've made a mistake and infringed the rules, I'm happy to do two turns and get a finish. Often such a finishing position would be OK for series points.
I think a one turn penalty might encourage people to take a turn rather than fight their corner in a protest when they 'know' they are right, as you can make yourself bulletproof, while losing less ground than the boat you have just tangled with. That might actually lead to less clarity of the rules?
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The trouble is it depends so much on the boat... a fast roll tacker can do two turns before some other craft have got through one. But I can't think of a better alternative.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 13 at 2:27pm
Maybe place penalties?

Most of the time what I'd like to see from other people is just an admission they were wrong, unless something significant hangs on the result, an apology is more important than a penalty.
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It might be interesting to read rule E4.3b. In this rule for radio sailing the intentionis that the boat that takes a penalty keeps taking turns until the advantage they gained is over. Better than retiring.
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What about they way they have been doing it in the ac series? Where they have to slow right down and they are not allowed to carry on till they have cleared the other boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 13 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by gordon

It might be interesting to read rule E4.3b. In this rule for radio sailing the intentionis that the boat that takes a penalty keeps taking turns until the advantage they gained is over. Better than retiring.

I guess you need an umpire to make that work?
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Not really - keep taking turns until you are behind the boat you fouled - simple really. If you don't the penalty is not appropriate and the jury can disqualify you.

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That would not really work if the boat that was fouled was ahead and stayed ahead in the moments afterwards, (e.g. being hit on the transom by an overtaking boat.) 
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