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Jon Emmett 
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 Topic: MiamiPosted: 30 Jan 13 at 12:17pm |
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Sadly money talks and by having a medal race it was easier to "sell" to the public. I do not know how much the medal races increased the number of viewers or whether ticket sells from the Nothe generated a significant income but this seems to be the way things are going....
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laser193713
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 12:09pm |
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Jon Emmett
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 11:47am |
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Actually I personally think someone who is consistent across a range of conditions (fast in 5 and 25 knots) should win. Believe me there was plenty of pressure in the Olympics before the medal race and we still saw match racing finishes.
However I do understand the need for the medal race format we had at last years games, so maybe we have got it just about right... Just look how consistent even the best 49er sailors are, a winner takes it all race does not seem right to me but it is OMVHO...
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laser193713
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 11:36am |
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I think possibly the most confusing scoring system about is the BTCC and even they dont kick out half of the competitors before the final race (or few races). I dont think getting rid of half the fleet will make it any more easy to understand what is going on at all. I see there could be an advantage of easier footage with fewer boats, which I suppose could make for better viewing.
But... all in all... I say just have a normal series. The only reason the footballers have a cup format for things like the world cup is that it would take too long for every team to play each other in a league format. We dont have that problem with sailing because everyone races together, we have match racing to compare to football.
There we have it, save the knockout competition for match racing (FA cup) and the standard series for the rest of the time (Premier league). We already have both formats so why add another "hybrid"!?
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JimC
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 11:29am |
A worthy sentiment, but who is the best man, the one who is consistent across a series or the one who can really turn it on when the pressure is at its utmost? Is the problem I've always had when looking at scoring systems even at my humble club level. If A and B are very close a tweak to the scoring system may put one ahead of the other, but how on earth do you work out which one should be ahead? If on the other hand A is clearly better than B then the smart money is tweaks to the scoring system wouldn't make any difference anyway. |
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Jon Emmett
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 11:22am |
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As a coach I just know the huge dedication of the full time sailors.
Therefore my concern is always that "the best man wins"...
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iGRF
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 11:21am |
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All the time there is a beat in a sailboat race none sailors are never going to get it.
"He went round that last buoy first why is he not first now" "He went the wrong way" "That's not fair, how did the others get to go the right way and he didn't" Answer that question with any logic and certainty and you can provide a solution for them, answer it not and all that remains is to line them up and drag race in a straight line or around a beam reach circuit will be the only way you'll get the typical Sun reader and or some Mail readers to work out who's winning and why. It's stupid even trying to explain to none sailors and for the most part they are not really watching if we're honest with ourselves, so all this fiddling about does is inconvenience us and ours (How can you pass on knowledge of how to win stuff when the goal posts keep changing). |
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 9:39am |
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Logistics may be a problem at the very biggest event. Time for some shopping!
But when most people are driving home, they will be long gone. Gordon |
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Jon Emmett
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 9:28am |
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Actually probably with the logistics involved very few people will go home but not sure how many people would do the prize giving!
My concern is that for some classes it may be relatively easy to make the top six then who ever wins the final race wins the event, meaning the only day which matters in (in this case) Friday... |
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gordon
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Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 9:26am |
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The major problem is that most of the fleet goes home after the first round. For the sponsor it must be very depressing to see so few people at the prize-giving, as everyone who is not involved in the final will be on the way home by then.
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