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    Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:32am
Originally posted by gbr940

how on earth does that make sense...surely you finish on the lap you're on through a start/finish line not stopping at the buoy you're on because it's closest


Not in a pursuit race, no. In a pursuit race in theory you finish as the time signal goes for the end of the race, and all boats would be scored on the order they are on the water.

In practice this is impractical, and different clubs adopt different strategies for recording the finishes as soon as they can after the signal goes. Travelling finish lines going down the fleet and multiple finish lines at different marks are the usual strategies. Beats and runs present the biggest problems since no-one may know exactly who is ahead at the finish gun. Its sometimes considered unsporting to overtake slower boats after the finish gun goes, and some clubs may request that sailors try and avoid doing so. At the BM I think that's just impractical.

Maybe in a few years time we'll all carry differential GPS devices and every boat will automatically log its position at the finish, and that, together with GPS on the marks, will automatically record the exact finishing places...

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GPS devices are the only sensible way forward for large pursuit races. I do think it's pretty impressive that qmsc are able to keep tabs on so many boats but I can' t believe that they don' t make mistakes. Looking at the conditions yesterday made me very jealous but with prolapse c5/6 disc sailings not really on the agenda at the moment. Gutted!!!!!
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Originally posted by JimC

 
Maybe in a few years time we'll all carry differential GPS devices and every boat will automatically log its position at the finish, and that, together with GPS on the marks, will automatically record the exact finishing places...

We are working on having GPS Tracking for the next Winter Series,  like we are already doing for events like Sail for Gold.  

This will allow us to in real time display where the fleet are,  mark rounding positions and finish results etc.  This won't completely replace manual recording but will greatly help with more data to support the Race Team.  

Fantastic for spectators,  we had several thousands following the Bloody Mary online yesterday and tracking we further build the spectator experience.    For the sailors they will be able to replay the race,  saw where they gained and lost,  also export data so a great coaching tool.
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Car racing has had transponders for years. Sounds worthwhile for any regatta with 50 + boats. Difficult thing will be getting them all the same and cheap. Many squealed when they became mandatory for cars at £75 and that is a more expensive sport

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by gbr940

how on earth does that make sense...surely you finish on the lap you're on through a start/finish line not stopping at the buoy you're on because it's closest


Not in a pursuit race, no. In a pursuit race in theory you finish as the time signal goes for the end of the race, and all boats would be scored on the order they are on the water.

In practice this is impractical, and different clubs adopt different strategies for recording the finishes as soon as they can after the signal goes. Travelling finish lines going down the fleet and multiple finish lines at different marks are the usual strategies. Beats and runs present the biggest problems since no-one may know exactly who is ahead at the finish gun. Its sometimes considered unsporting to overtake slower boats after the finish gun goes, and some clubs may request that sailors try and avoid doing so. At the BM I think that's just impractical.

Maybe in a few years time we'll all carry differential GPS devices and every boat will automatically log its position at the finish, and that, together with GPS on the marks, will automatically record the exact finishing places...
 
Finally, someone has actually answered my question which i've posed for years...thank you!
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Originally posted by Bootscooter



I've noted from the results list that our Mr Holman saile an I14, and the Punk was being sailed by someone else..... but having seen it going round it didn't have it's wishbone boomed rig on..... is this a sail development you're working on Daniel?


Hiya. Yep as evidenced by an average results, featuring 3 swims and sailing back to a mark following misjudging a lay, the 14 sailing needs considerable work.
Keen to keep the punk boat exposed so my mate Julian kindly took it up and back and sailed it.
Yep the sail is new last autumn, on the production mast that took 2 years to get right, all with a conventional boom, which seems to be working well. Will be on 3rd iteration of the clamped gooseneck by this weekend.

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Originally posted by gbr940

 
how on earth does that make sense...surely you finish on the lap you're on through a start/finish line not stopping at the buoy you're on because it's closest

for the Tiger: They put a committee boat at every mark. You also sign off when you come ashore and have to put which boat was in front and behind you at the gun. With all this, they pretty much get the order correct.

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At the Beastie they have several moving finishes. motor boats start at several marks and when the signal sounds they travel down the fleet. You are asked to hold position until you have been acknowledged by one of the finish lines. You are also asked to note the boat ahead and behind. As metioned not easy on a long beat.



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They just need more finishing lines. I ended up racing for 20min after the finish time. With only 2 finish points on such a large lap slow boats lose a lot of places getting to a finish. QMSC must have enough ribs to set another 2 finish lines surely.
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