Bloody Mary
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Topic: Bloody Mary
Posted By: ChrisJ
Subject: Bloody Mary
Date Posted: 24 Dec 12 at 3:05pm
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I have never done the Bloody Mary before... any tips?
What about arrival time? (allowing for arrival, rigging, changing, booking in, sailing to the start etc)? How are the starts organised? Big start times displayed? or everything by flags and no-one knows when to start? Racing off 1090 this year... THANKS, Chris |
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Posted By: Chris415700
Date Posted: 24 Dec 12 at 3:22pm
| Top tip No 1 - don't do what I did the first time I did it. I followed a 505 from Milton Keynes all the way onto the M25, and proceeded to follow it clockwise round the M25 for about 15 miles before I realised that it was not doing the Bloody Mary. |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 12 at 5:19pm
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Have you visited Queen Mary before? Rigging is done in the gangways of the boat park. You drive up to the top, unload and then drive your car to the bottom. The earlier you arrive, the closer you will get to the water. The briefing is done by means of a recorded video that loops. Launching is down a steep slope but people are there to assist. I am not sure what boat you have but starts are done by a committee boat displaying numbers relating to the starts for each PY. Finishing is done on an upwind mark across the whole course. You sail the entire reservoir too. ------------- |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 24 Dec 12 at 5:31pm
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Unload everything at the top when you arrive, you don't want to have to carry it up.
There is a formal briefing, that is looped. On the club side of the groin there is less queue for launching, but when its a lee shore it can be a pain, there are pontoons so you can always host your 2000 sails here and then sail off. The other side of the groin trends to get clogged by the Merlin's rigging..... They take ages, but I suspect you know that! Make note of the course, it generally goes around the outside but a few dog legs are normally thrown in. Mark rounding strategy is important if you hope to do well. There can be a crush at some of the marks, especially later on. Sail your race don't get tied up match racing! Be prepared for a tepid shower. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 24 Dec 12 at 5:34pm
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Oh I forgot, 250+ boats on one course is amazing. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: hobbiteater
Date Posted: 25 Dec 12 at 10:49pm
| anyone know if a long john wet suit and aquafleece pro allowed? |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 26 Dec 12 at 8:16am
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Sure it will be allowed, not allowed shorty wetsuits. But i would hope you will be layering up a bit more for your own safety if nothing else. Also that the long john is of good quality. You will be cold whatever you wear but dangerously cold will ruin the event for you and possibly others. ------------- |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 26 Dec 12 at 5:16pm
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Tim, I cant leave you to fight them all off by yourself can i!!!??? Think Myself, Charlie, Nick s and Nick Craig are coming. Not sure on Jon, we need to work on him ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Dec 12 at 7:30pm
Oh dear, that's not going to go down well with our resident Miracle Hero, he's from oop that North, where they spit nails and only ever wear shorties come hail or high water and word has it he's going to that soft southern pansy Bloody Mary warm bath event. Mind you he's probably there already, it's a pursuit race isn't it? With the Miracle Handicap he'll probably be starting about now if you lot are going to race next week. |
Posted By: Neal_g
Date Posted: 27 Dec 12 at 1:28pm
i know i overheated last year and my brain stopped working.
i'll get them to turn the thermostat down if i wear a long wetsuit
hopefully we'll get some snow again like the 2010 bloody mary was an acceptable temp for wearing a long wetsuit that year. ------------- (Redoubt Sc) Miracle 4040 GP14 13407 Crewsaver phase 2 range now available to buy online on at http://www.gibsonsails.com |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 27 Dec 12 at 10:37pm
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Officially the rule at most (all?) clubs on Thames Water (and other?) is full wetsuits or drysuits only from the start of October till the start of April (if I remember the insanity correctly). Technically long john/layer combinations are against this badly written rule, and a right @r53hole could protest someone for not complying. It is is farcical- for instance, last year (2011) at the b14/cherub nationals in October the air temperature was over 25 degrees C. enforcing the rule would have been downright dangerous. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 28 Dec 12 at 12:24pm
Thank you Al, that's worth knowing, so rather than trying to beat that absurd ten minute handicap advantage he has over me, i shall simply protest him for being underdressed, maybe get him with ungentlemanly conduct as well what's that rule No? 
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 9:07pm
| My son is planning on racing his Radial wearing PolyPros, Raceskin, Hot Top, Hikers and Aqua Fleece. Is it reasonable to assume that this is equivalent to 'full wetsuit' for the purposes of the clothing rule? |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 9:21pm
Gareth - it was fine for the 4.7 Y&D Squad training there last winter.
The rule is designed to stop people sailing in shortys etc. Personally I think Darwin has it right.
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 10:01pm
boots and a hat, and perhaps gloves ? |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 10:21pm
Of course, and a neck gaiter too. I was just thinking of equivalence in the event that someone takes it upon themself to strictly police that particular rule. |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 10:32pm
WHAT???!!!! ARE YOU MAD???? ONE OF THESE????????  |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 10:35pm
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 08 Jan 13 at 10:44pm
| Certainly keeps you warm! |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 10 Jan 13 at 9:50pm
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Amazing what you can achieve with a plastic model and some tommy K
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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:02pm
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So how was it for everyone? I saw Chris in the X1 go for a swim or two, Russ in the D1 inspect his hull on the water, a story about Tim G mucking about and having to take a trip to A and E ( from two different people) and us in the 200 survived the gusts, the lulls and finished without swimming. Fantastic racing, excellent and helpful volunteers who ensured 340 entries were able to park, eat, launch, race and go home happy. For me, the Bloody Mary was very well run and will be back again. ------------- |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:07pm
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http://www.queenmary.org.uk/SailResults/Open%20Racing%202013/20130112_Virtual%20Rigger%2040th%20Bloody%20Mary%20Pursuit.htm
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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:09pm
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Just seen the results, they have put me as OCS, to me I finished at 226 position. The start of 30 when the RS200 started I was back from the line, but a lot of the 200s were on or over the line. It doesn't bother me though. ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:12pm
| I noted the guy in the EPS handed Russ his ass, shame I should have gone what fun I could be having now.. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:16pm
If you call floating around upside down fun....  ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:19pm
| Was it windy then? I tried to load the web cam and all day the forecast on their site only showed maximum 12 kts and it wasn't that breezy down here. |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:42pm
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Well the Boy got 8th Radial, and 126th overall and thoroughly enjoyed his day. As a spectator, I thought the event spectacular - much kudos to the QM young lady in the Topper who led until 20 mins to go, and to the overall winner who sailed superbly to take the lead and hold it for the last 17. The Boy is a bit chuffed with beating Russ too. Edited to add; HUGE thanks to the army of voluteers, from the RO to the Car Parking Marshals, who all worked so hard to make a virtually seamless event   |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 6:55pm
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I had a quick look at the wind speed data for the day and it doesn't look like it got anywhere near as windy as it was forecast to be. Still cold though. Well doen to all those who made it.
------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 7:07pm
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Windy enough later on when I had my kite up I on the reach from no. 3 to 4. Absolutely flying, but no it really towards the mark :-P
Finished 187th due to far too many capsizes. Not impressed by the merlin on the beat to the finish that squeezed me so close to the wind my rig stalled and I ended up in an almighty tea bag only 5 lengths from the line too. Grade A Nimrods! Organisation was spot on this year shore side so big well done to Queen Mary. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 7:41pm
| Aren't you supposed to stop racing when the gun goes, then sail procession style to the finish point ahead? |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 7:46pm
That good 'ol windward boat rule... Or had the Merlin come up from behind? ;-) |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 7:57pm
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Sorry Neptune think we might have just pipped you as you tea bagged just in front of us. A good sail, and as always a really well run event. If you haven't done it before you should! Any clubs hosting big opens should ask Queen Mary for a master class. Thanks to everyone there who made it happen. The car park marshall lady I spoke to at about 5:30 said she had been there all day with only an hour off to watch some of the sailing! The event couldn't run without people like these. Thanks again! ------------- |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 8:13pm
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He tacked to leeward but in front of me then pointed the damn thing so much higher than I could ever go as so I could not get over the top quick enough.
Shame, just made it frustrating finish for me and he made a place and I lost lots. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 8:16pm
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Full report, results and photos now online at http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/167483/Virtual-Rigger-40th-Bloody-Mary - www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/167483/Virtual-Rigger-40th-Bloody-Mary  Well done everyone! |
Posted By: Mrs G
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 10:09pm
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Please feel free to like the Redoubt Sailing Club Facebook page and like the pictures taken today (already uploaded) ------------- Miralce 3692 when not busy being a mummy. |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 10:29pm
As arsey as it must have felt, sounds like a legitimate racing move for position in a race ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 10:33pm
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Not making excuses Graeme but I had a big capsize followed by gear failure that needed a running repair! I still think I would of struggled to get anywhere better than about half way in the fleet! Tough day for anything with a kite! Must say the handicaps looked and felt spot on, it was nice to actually be able to catch merlins!! Good time had though even with a shocker of a result! The boat felt so good as well before my cock up! Great run up to finish I just pipped the xi. !!! I feel it now though, rough and aching time to join the gym ------------- |
Posted By: SoggyBadger
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 10:39pm
Sounds a perfectly reasonable and sensible manoeuvre to me. I'd have definitely done the same. ------------- Best wishes from deep in the woods SB |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 10:43pm
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hat was a great day. It really is amazing organisation and logistics. Big thanks to the volunteers. We had a great race....really enjoyed it. Shame it didn't really blow as forecast. It did feel like a bit of fast boat benefit.....60 faster past us, only 12 or so slower which we didn't take. Not sure how Clare's hands are after hanging on to that kite on the tight reaches... Just the business of a day - love sailing against so many different boats, and seeing old pals. Matt
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 11:12pm
It's not the critic who counts chum.. you're a better man than I for doing it, I'm beating myself up for not being there, it looked fantastic from all the pictures, well done everybody... I had a great time filling potholes in the lane and buying dogfood and logs from the garden centre, no really love, wonderful to spend the day with you whilst all the boys are sailing...
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Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 11:36pm
| I've noted from the results list that our Mr Holman saile an I14, and the Punk was being sailed by someone else..... but having seen it going round it didn't have it's wishbone boomed rig on..... is this a sail development you're working on Daniel? |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:11am
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If the moth took the lead with 20 minutes to go they must have been miles ahead at the finish. Still a lot of work to do cutting the py. The biggest bandits of any class.
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:15am
If only...
Logic would suggest to me that your finish position should be where you are at, on the race course when the race time elapses. Any extra time spent in reaching a 'finish' point will only favour a faster boat over a slower one. The reality is nigh impossible to provide an accurate finish position from all around the course and you certainly can't expect competitors to form an orderly queue to be 'counted'. I remember sailing a Topper in a mid 80's BM and lost around 20 places in about the extra 5-10 minutes from the last mark (where I was approximately at) when the race 'finished'.
I guess the only way you could make a 'correction' for this anomoly would be to record the finish time for every other boat apart from the winner then back calculate on PY the extra time taken. Granted this would be an additional onerous task for the race committee and be detrimental to the concept of a 'pursuit' finish... Then again, what if the 'winner' lost a protest and was DSQ'd? (yes, it could happen!) - it would start getting really complicated and ridiculous then.
Does the BM finish competitors at the end of the leg that they are sailing to mitigate 'bonus' sailing time?
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:17am
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The Tiger Trophy pursuit requires you to "hold position" to the next mark when the gun goes. Which is of course really, really tricky, especially if you're in a large mixed group that's just rounded a mark. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:18am
| This could be quite easily done by having a time keeper on each buoy then pro rata adjusting the positions for the actual finish time on the final leg sailed. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:20am
Not if they are not foiling... From the sound of the report the very late starters were the only ones to have decent wind all the time so mid fleet boats would have been going slowly with the clock ticking their handicap away whilst the fast boats were waiting for their start sequences.
Personally I think its a ******* miracle or organisation that they can get results for 200 boats at all, let alone getting into timekeeping and adjustments. I've sometimes idly wondered whether one could set the times for a pursuit race for say 3 minutes after the nominal gun, which would mean that slow boats near a mark were advantaged over fast boats, instead of it always being the fast boats that gain. However when I think about it, bearing in mind handicaps have to be roughly rounded off to the nearest minute anyway, I reckon all that would actually happen is that the odd class or two would start a minute later or earlier, and the vast majority would be completely unchanged.
Pretty much, certainly as many finish lines as they can manage. |
Posted By: marky
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:22am
Yup that would be really easy with 200+ boats finishing
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:45am
Really, no sh*t, I would have never figured that out. Moths are an odd ball in that there performance ranges so dramatically on conditions, the very situation the py system can't cope with as it is based on averages. Moths need to be handicapped to their foiling only performance. If you sail a moth you are not interested in drifting anyway.
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Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:54am
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They are pretty much foiling in 5 knots now anyway ------------- |
Posted By: gbr940
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:20am
how on earth does that make sense...surely you finish on the lap you're on through a start/finish line not stopping at the buoy you're on because it's closest ------------- RS400 GBR1321 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:32am
Not in a pursuit race, no. In a pursuit race in theory you finish as the time signal goes for the end of the race, and all boats would be scored on the order they are on the water. In practice this is impractical, and different clubs adopt different strategies for recording the finishes as soon as they can after the signal goes. Travelling finish lines going down the fleet and multiple finish lines at different marks are the usual strategies. Beats and runs present the biggest problems since no-one may know exactly who is ahead at the finish gun. Its sometimes considered unsporting to overtake slower boats after the finish gun goes, and some clubs may request that sailors try and avoid doing so. At the BM I think that's just impractical. Maybe in a few years time we'll all carry differential GPS devices and every boat will automatically log its position at the finish, and that, together with GPS on the marks, will automatically record the exact finishing places... |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:40am
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GPS devices are the only sensible way forward for large pursuit races. I do think it's pretty impressive that qmsc are able to keep tabs on so many boats but I can' t believe that they don' t make mistakes. Looking at the conditions yesterday made me very jealous but with prolapse c5/6 disc sailings not really on the agenda at the moment. Gutted!!!!!
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Posted By: Simon Lovesey
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 1:56pm
We are working on having GPS Tracking for the next Winter Series, like we are already doing for events like Sail for Gold. This will allow us to in real time display where the fleet are, mark rounding positions and finish results etc. This won't completely replace manual recording but will greatly help with more data to support the Race Team. Fantastic for spectators, we had several thousands following the Bloody Mary online yesterday and tracking we further build the spectator experience. For the sailors they will be able to replay the race, saw where they gained and lost, also export data so a great coaching tool. ------------- http://www.sailracer.org" rel="nofollow - www.sailracer.org Online Sailing Results, GPS Tracking & Event Management |
Posted By: Cameron Winton
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 2:13pm
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Car racing has had transponders for years. Sounds worthwhile for any regatta with 50 + boats. Difficult thing will be getting them all the same and cheap. Many squealed when they became mandatory for cars at £75 and that is a more expensive sport |
Posted By: gbr940
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 3:17pm
Finally, someone has actually answered my question which i've posed for years...thank you! ------------- RS400 GBR1321 |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 3:18pm
Hiya. Yep as evidenced by an average results, featuring 3 swims and sailing back to a mark following misjudging a lay, the 14 sailing needs considerable work. Keen to keep the punk boat exposed so my mate Julian kindly took it up and back and sailed it. Yep the sail is new last autumn, on the production mast that took 2 years to get right, all with a conventional boom, which seems to be working well. Will be on 3rd iteration of the clamped gooseneck by this weekend. Dan |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 4:18pm
for the Tiger: They put a committee boat at every mark. You also sign off when you come ashore and have to put which boat was in front and behind you at the gun. With all this, they pretty much get the order correct. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 6:15pm
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At the Beastie they have several moving finishes. motor boats start at several marks and when the signal sounds they travel down the fleet. You are asked to hold position until you have been acknowledged by one of the finish lines. You are also asked to note the boat ahead and behind. As metioned not easy on a long beat. |
Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 6:20pm
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They just need more finishing lines. I ended up racing for 20min after the finish time. With only 2 finish points on such a large lap slow boats lose a lot of places getting to a finish. QMSC must have enough ribs to set another 2 finish lines surely. ------------- |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 6:33pm
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Air your views here... https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/525SYVV - https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/525SYVV I am not linked to QMSC ------------- |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 7:46pm
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3 finish lines I think I noticed. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: ChrisJ
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 7:59pm
| 4. Three marks had blue flags on them - they became finishing lines. Plus the moving line that got dropped ahead of the leading boat. |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 8:15pm
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We had a very long sail after the finish time all upwind. I reckon 15-20 minutes worth. We gained some, we lost some...I felt for the toppers who lost loads. Have to laugh at the Tiger comments - it took 25 freexing minutes to drift down to the nest mark where the finish was - direction to hold station blatantly ignored (but understandably so given the conditions) by 4 29ers and a few others and not much interest in correcting it from the race team. At least you know what ypu're getting at the BM!
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 9:20pm
I think my son finished just after you in his radial. He had the same agonising 15-20 minutes after the gun. He said 15 or so faster boats passed him in that time, which he was a but disappointed about, but didn't really affect his enjoyment in any way. The bottom line is that the way the race is finished may mean there is a bit of a blur between 50th and 75th, but the winner is clear, as is the the first boat in each class. At the end of the day, all handicap racing is a compromise and a but of fun anyway, so you just have to take the rough with the smooth. All in all it was a fantastic event, really well run.
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Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:08pm
They are a much simpler device than would be needed for sailboat races - you can't put induction loops a few inches below the surface across the start/finish line!
Mike
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:18pm
| hold station and sail to a frickin bouy 200m away..?!? don't work in reality if you're in a foiling moth (and not, at the moment of finishing gun, surrounded by other foiling moths) , what are you supposed to do, blast straight past everyone near you then jump off the back and bury it somewhere just short of the finish mark until you see your 'space' coming along, then quickly get it back upright and sail on???? |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:31pm
I think I was with you in that group, yelling at 29ers to little avail. The I14 that didn't even go to the finish boat still seemed to get a finish position ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 10:45pm
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Can't say I yelled much - the movement would have shaken too much cold into my kit! What were you in?
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Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 12:01am
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Am i wrong in thinking that in the BM sailing instructions it states you are to keep racing until you reach the next finish point? Obviously not standard persuit finishing practice, but it works. It would be virtually impossible to finish everyone at the same time. So i am afraid you just have to keep racing until the line. Its worked for this many years why change it? By the way i overtook some slower boats on the way to my finish point. ------------- |
Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 8:39am
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Everyone keeps racing till the finish point at BM. I only saw 2 finish points, however many they had they need more as 20 min sailing to get to one is too long and really disadvantages slow boats. ------------- |
Posted By: Charlie 8835
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 9:24am
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Thanks to QM as per everyone else. Lovely sail, great event. Well done to all the winners.
However, I have a small racing niggle, which I want to share/ask advice on.
As we set the kite at the east end of the lake for the reach towards the clubhouse, a 29er popped up to windwards of us, and hoisted. They didn't just clip us, they removed the spinney pole from its spiro launcher. We had to bear away hard to avoid a big smack with them.
Windward boat, right? We caught back up all the way down the reach (great angle - exciting in the gusts), hailing them clearly, before over hauling them on the fetch along the bund. there was a lot of strategic ignoring of the old gits in the museum piece behind / overtaking / in front of them.
We actually did ultimately hail protest, but then lost them in the melee... and of course forgot the sail number.......our bad.
We certainly didn't go looking for aggressive close boat sailing - that isn't the point of the BM.
Along with most crews, we ducked loads of trransoms that we could have hailed on. But where should the land lie, and are we comfortable that these yoof sailors were quite happy to break the rules cos they thought they would get away with it?...which of course they now have.
Protesting at the BM would not be a popular thing, I'm guessing. Advice please. Am I just old and jaded...!!
Charlie
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 10:04am
What was it you were littering up the water with, getting in the way of our nations fine youth in their fast modern crafts? What's a spiro launcher anyway, it should probably be obsolete, who's it made by, Stannah?
Aren't there different rules for wood botherers and sailors of modern craft?
Edit.
And what are old american speakers doing on our fine english reservoirs anyway? |
Posted By: Charlie 8835
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 10:27am
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Sorry GRF. attempting not to look / sound old and past it. Ferrari and toupe now on order......!
A twin spiro launcher pulley is the pulley that attaches the pole to the mast. It is Sooooooo expensive that even normal 505 crews are trying to find different systems and pulleys.
About GBP350 for 1 moulding and 2 small heavy duty rollers.....rivets and Duralac cost extra..!!
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Posted By: Charlie 8835
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 10:30am
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BTW - no wood bothering here.. All newer 505's have loads of carbon.
It's how we warrant the cost difference with the Alto...!!
C
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 10:34am
| You haven't got one of those lovely new Parker five ohs have you? They look proper kewell.. |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 11:21am
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sadly I think protest is the only official answer these days, even if it's a PITA for all the other competitors who need to wait around for it. When God was a lad we would have been on the end of a sharp talking too, or worse, someone would have grassed us up to our parents who (rightly) would have been shame faced by such blatant arrogance, inconsideration and lack of courtesy from their offspring, irrespective of the racing rules situation..... doubt that's the case now, the RYA Regional Squad sports psycho-babblist would pat them on the back for not losing their cool with the situation and staying 'in the zone'. I guess if you want to follow it now, then Hubert and Hermione would best served with a tweet of flame and good bit of internet witch hunting (seems to work for every other SJ series at some point)... if you could remember their sail number of course, otherwise let the rabble go through the list and pin it on the nearest 29er to your finish position. ------------- |
Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 11:59am
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Whilst I don't exactly operate the Lairier of my craft with clinical precision, I think that these events attract a fairly mixed bag of abilities and age groups. 340 boats is a thick soup in anyone's money.
Kids aren't always the best at being self aware, suspect that there isn't that much intentional rule dodging, just that kids just do what they always do and maybe don't take in the stuff that's happening beyond what they'd usually be thinking about in a one design squad / training / champs environment . That said, a bit like in cars, it's not the "young, dumb and full of come (sp?)" brigade that are the biggest menace, it's the coffin dodgers. Closest moment to disaster on sat for us was an old boy for whom steering a straight course ddw in a f4 slumped in the bottom his go slow was clearly taking up all of his effort, such that it was clear that he would not be honouring his obligation as give way boat on port for anything, despite clear and concise (and polite) hails from about 20 seconds before impact. As with driving, Just gotta see them coming as best one can and give a wide, wide berth. |
Posted By: Nihil
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 12:06pm
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I just wanted to say a big thanks to everyone for an amazing day on Saturday. I didn't have the confidence to sail the event this year, but my day as one of the launch/recovery volunteers was very satisfying. Knackering mind you, but satisfying. ;-) I’ve never in all my life hauled so many heavy things up and down a concrete slope. The majority of crews were friendly and helpful, actually listened to what we were asking them to do, and generally got into the spirit of the whole thing. I’d like to give a special thanks to the folks who helped us with their launching trollies rather than just dumping them on the shore teams. After you have carried 30+ trollies up a steep, slippery slope, you start to feel it, so the crews who took their own were legends. The non-sailor family members were a friendly bunch too, with some of them even becoming (only slightly pressganged) helpers in their own right. I think the system for getting people out of the carpark with boats hitched up was excellent as well, and once again, a big thanks to all the volunteers who stuck around until the end with me and dragged all the road trailers up to the backs of cars. What little I did get to see of the race in my lunch break was pretty amazing to watch. Certainly made me want to practice enough in my little laser that I can sail it next year. Makes you proud to be a QM Member really ------------- Laser 197679 |
Posted By: ChrisI
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 2:06pm
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Yes, thank you to QMSC for an exciting day out.
And especially to all the volunteers incl the guy and girl who walked my boat for around thirty yards in the pick-up/attachment line just so others could line up quicker behind.... impressive organisation and logistics. Chris |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 5:25pm
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Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 2:27pm
As my number is on that list as are a couple more I know weren't there, I think we can say it's very innacurate. I think it's probably a list of series entries?
In any case, this forum is not the place for Name and Shame - at least not without first going through the Protest Room. In my experience sailing amongst the Youths at 29er Inlands etc (75 boats), the standard of rule observance is very high. They at least know most of the rules whereas many of the older sailors out there seem to revel in their lack of knowledge of mostrules.
Well done Queen Mary - fantastic job to cope with so many boats, competitors and spectators. ------------- Keith 29er 661 (with my daughters / nephew) 49er 688 (with Phil P) RS200 968 Vortex (occasionally) Laser 2049XX |
Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 6:14pm
| Sorry-I dont get it. What does this list of sail numbers refer to? |
Posted By: Stevie_GTI
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 6:17pm
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Potential rule breaking 29ers. I think that list is all the 29ers who have entered a sail juice event ------------- |
Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 6:33pm
| Oh, so it was only 29ers that were causing problems? I thought that the race was pretty chaotic and when I looked at the results I struggled to work out how boats that had started after us finished in front of us, and I never saw them during the racing. Now I might have missed them, or we might have sailed the wrong course ( too long!) or they might have sailed the wrong course ( too short!), but I find it all a bit confusing, but then I'm getting old and easily confused! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 7:18pm
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One guy was complaining that he'd been fouled by a 29er.
Lets face it its probably difficult to sail the BM without the odd rule breach. Can you imagine the protest hearing on a mrk rounding with 70 boats overlapped... Whilst the incident as described sound fairly black and white, if, for instance, you've been shut out at the last two marks in spite of having right of way your sporting instinct as regards doing turns if you barely clipped a shroud may be somewhat atrophied... I may not condone it, but I find it very easy to understand... |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 7:40pm
Don't incidents usually sound 'black and white' when you only hear one side? If there really are 70 boats at a mark, all different, you would have to have great spatial perception to be sure you'd obeyed the rules totally. I'm sure we've all had the odd moment which we're not proud of but don't think it's actually our fault? |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 8:33pm
| Bloody Mary = Emperor's New Clothes |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 22 Jan 13 at 10:06pm
| Will Loy has just posted four videos he took of the BM on You Tube. Search on "Virtual Rigger Bloody Mary" |
Posted By: RichTea
Date Posted: 23 Jan 13 at 8:25am
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The FotoBoat pictures are online too http://fotoboat.thirdlight.com/viewcontainer.tlx?containerid=14943111765&home=1 - http://fotoboat.thirdlight.com/viewcontainer.tlx?containerid=14943111765&home=1 |