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    Posted: 12 Jan 13 at 11:36pm
I've noted from the results list that our Mr Holman saile an I14, and the Punk was being sailed by someone else..... but having seen it going round it didn't have it's wishbone boomed rig on..... is this a sail development you're working on Daniel?
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If the moth took the lead with 20 minutes to go they must have been miles ahead at the finish. 

Still a lot of work to do cutting the py. The biggest bandits of any class. 
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

Aren't you supposed to stop racing when the gun goes, then sail procession style to the finish point ahead?
 
If only...
 
Logic would suggest to me that your finish position should be where you are at, on the race course when the race time elapses. Any extra time spent in reaching a 'finish' point will only favour a faster boat over a slower one. The reality is nigh impossible to provide an accurate finish position from all around the course and you certainly can't expect competitors to form an orderly queue to be 'counted'. I remember sailing a Topper in a mid 80's BM and lost around 20 places in about the extra 5-10 minutes from the last mark (where I was approximately at) when the race 'finished'.
 
I guess the only way you could make a 'correction' for this anomoly would be to record the finish time for every other boat apart from the winner then back calculate on PY the extra time taken. Granted this would be an additional onerous task for the race committee and be detrimental to the concept of a 'pursuit' finish... Then again, what if the 'winner' lost a protest and was DSQ'd? (yes, it could happen!) - it would start getting really complicated and ridiculous then.
 
Does the BM finish competitors at the end of the leg that they are sailing to mitigate 'bonus' sailing time?
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The Tiger Trophy pursuit requires you to "hold position" to the next mark when the gun goes.


Which is of course really, really tricky, especially if you're in a large mixed group that's just rounded a mark.
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This could be quite easily done by having a time keeper on each buoy then pro rata adjusting the positions for the actual finish time on the final leg sailed. 
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Originally posted by 2547

The biggest bandits of any class. 

Not if they are not foiling... From the sound of the report the very late starters were the only ones to have decent wind all the time so mid fleet boats would have been going slowly with the clock ticking their handicap away whilst the fast boats were waiting for their start sequences.

Originally posted by 2547

This could be quite easily done by having a time keeper on each buoy then pro rata adjusting the positions for the actual finish time on the final leg sailed.


Personally I think its a ******* miracle or organisation that they can get results for 200 boats at all, let alone getting into timekeeping and adjustments.
I've sometimes idly wondered whether one could set the times for a pursuit race for say 3 minutes after the nominal gun, which would mean that slow boats near a mark were advantaged over fast boats, instead of it always being the fast boats that gain. However when I think about it, bearing in mind handicaps have to be roughly rounded off to the nearest minute anyway, I reckon all that would actually happen is that the odd class or two would start a minute later or earlier, and the vast majority would be completely unchanged.

Originally posted by Andymac

Does the BM finish competitors at the end of the leg that they are sailing to mitigate 'bonus' sailing time?

Pretty much, certainly as many finish lines as they can manage.

Edited by JimC - 13 Jan 13 at 9:46am
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Originally posted by 2547

This could be quite easily done by having a time keeper on each buoy then pro rata adjusting the positions for the actual finish time on the final leg sailed. 
 
Yup that would be really easy with 200+ boats finishing Angry 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by 2547

The biggest bandits of any class. 

Not if they are not foiling...
 

Really, no sh*t, I would have never figured that out. 

Moths are an odd ball in that there performance ranges so dramatically on conditions, the very situation the py system can't cope with as it is based on averages. 

Moths need to be handicapped to their foiling only performance. If you sail a moth you are not interested in drifting anyway. 
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They are pretty much foiling in 5 knots now anyway
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Originally posted by alstorer

The Tiger Trophy pursuit requires you to "hold position" to the next mark when the gun goes.


Which is of course really, really tricky, especially if you're in a large mixed group that's just rounded a mark.

 
how on earth does that make sense...surely you finish on the lap you're on through a start/finish line not stopping at the buoy you're on because it's closest
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