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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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An Icon from what i observed at the FMO is more an inland craft for more sedate sailing,
Oh dear we'd better re-design it then .... but just maybe not - we're not that sure if you'd recognise a pit-bull if it bit you every day for a year in the backside either ![]() Mike L. Edited by blaze720 - 01 Nov 12 at 12:01am |
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Oatsandbeans ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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Sorry I seem to stirred up a bit of a hornest's nest re my slip up confusing an alto and an icon, it makes the thread a lot more interesting though than boring old slot gaskets, maybe I should have just done a thread like " I am currently sailing a RS500 and am struggling with the extreme weather helm, and am thinking of changing boats, but I cant decide on whether to go for the Alto or the Icon, (I am a bit worried about how the Icon would cope as I mainly sail on the sea)."
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scotsfinn ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 17 May 12 Location: Glasgow Online Status: Offline Posts: 284 |
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More thread stealing .... And back to the best boat to hit the market in years! ... iCON....... Oh dear, out of my inexperience, I've ordered the wrong boat and may have to sue the suppliers and designers, and maybe even Devoti (who clearly know nothing) as I thought and they assured me that the boat would be great for sea sailing
Please mr GRF would you help me by acting as an expert witness in this action ..... clearly you know more than just about everyone when it comes to all things boating ....... You're this forums hero!
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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well if you'd posted that about 5 years ago, then the answer would have been 'buy a cherub'. ![]() The Icon's en vogue at the moment, I hope for very good reasons... inland and on the sea. Either way, a two sail modern hiker that isn't a N12 sounds like a good addition to the sailing landscape, and given a good dose of optimistic, idealistic dreaming about what sailing my 4 year old and 8 month old might want to do int the future, I could quite see myself wanting one in a few years to compliment a Feva or a couple of Teras.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well far be it from me to pour scorn on a new design, precisely the sort of thing I like to see and indeed a fine boat, not the only new boat at the FOM, the X1 also new, also with features and benefits to suit a given set of circumstances.
But we are all victims of our own circumstance and mine isn't given to wasting the efforts of a perfectly capable crew by having them just sit there to provide ballast especially when both parties get more enjoyment from a three sail reach or run. So I would ordinarily prefer an X1 even over the icon were it not designed to be an old fashioned propping up a clothes line style pole with which to operate it's ballooney thing. Had I been up at that FOM at the helm of the Alto of joy it would have been a very different set of results over the water, especially in those conditions in which the boat performs very well even without getting out on the trap. So a boat like the Alto gives you the best of both worlds, you can muddle along like an Icon, but then when the wind puffs up you engage another gear, it is imvho a far superior device for folk with actual motor skills and proper red corpuscles flowing through the veins. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for an Icon, it is a fantastic device for introducing folk to sailing and sail racing, bringing along the family, far better than consigning new folk to old wooden tubs, GP14's Enterprises and the rest of the old dross. In a perfect world there need only be a few boats and one of them could well be an Icon, but the Alto should also be present for the more adventurous types that can still enjoy the rush without necessarily being an ex squaddie or pro jock. It's a very wrong thread pitching the two against each other, they both have their place, but in this thread, it's about a single trap boat with a flushing strip and last time I looked the Icon was neither of those and it has a massive thread of it's own where you fanbois and girls can hang out and talk about how much pain you can suffer in your bottoms without whining.. ![]() |
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peterthomas ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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It’s simple really GRF, this thread would have remained entirely focused on slot gaskets had you not completely unnecessarily voiced an ill-informed opinion about the ICON. No one else has sought to compare the ICON to the Alto which I am sure is a very fine boat. If you are happy to post your opinions from a position of ignorance you should not expect them to go unchallenged. If you had tried the ICON on the sea your opinion might be valid, but I don’t think you have. I have corrected you because I happen to know from experience that you are entirely wrong. |
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boatbasher ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76 |
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The best solution is to buy a boat with a daggerboard. A far superior solution to the main foil for performance and far easier to maintain.
Some cretins find them difficult when launching off beaches but many of their fellow club mates with Lasers seem to manage with no problem. |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Hi Peter
Don't be too hard on 'young' GRF ... he is as a young teenager when it comes to the dinghy thing despite outward appearence. Full of opinions on everything, expert in every field from 'marketing' to CFD, materials technology and corporate strategy ... as well as a helm skilled to the level the rest of us poor fools would do very well to follow.... well in his 'yoof' mind anyway. Occasionally we see some 'learning' coming through but .. don't hold your breath. The 'Also' is a fine boat, I've seen it on the sea over a weeks racing myself so I know it for 'sure' ?. Do I ? Well it is probably true but it is still an qualified opinion 'cos I have not sailed one myself. GRF, like many teenagers, engages 'opinion drive', takes to keyboard (or bar-stool) and mistakes / presents his views as 'fact' frequently without even seeing the subject matter. A reasonable test of GRF's judgements on any subject is to look at the 'GRF statement' and see if it makes as much or even more sense to 'read' when giving exactly the opposite position. For 'Icon is not a sea boat' translate it as 'Icon is a great sea boat' .... For 'My V2 is going to show the world where they are all so wrong' translate the saying of Chariman GRF as ''My V2 is going to show the world why they were so RIGHT' ![]() It could be a new thread in its own right. Mike L. PS - Yes let's try and keep to the right subject matter now .... I'm off this particular thread ! |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Why would I want to try a boat I don't actually like the look of?
It is just my opinion, don't you get it? Clearly not, just because I say the Icon is a fat body landlubbers boat for the timorous and entry level dawdlers, doesn't make it so, it makes it my opinion and hey guess what, the folk reading have their own opinions so there really is no need to engage bold type, you've woken up the Industry's greatest spinnaker dodger as it is.. You already have an Icon thread, last I looked the six of you have managed 142 pages and 119721 yawns to rival a Unix manual in excitement. It still doesn't mean any discussion about it has any place in this thread, because it doesn't have a retracting centreboard, flushing strips or a trapeze, so is not actually in direct comparison, I'd been polite about it up until now, but really? What a waste of good glass fibre and sailcloth, I wouldn't sail in one if you paid me. There happy now? |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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At the risk of getting even further off topic....a CB boat is much easier to handle through the wind range than a dagger boat IMO. Currently have a Laser and previously sailed all sort with swinging boards I know what I prefer....now if only I have the time and money to change class....
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