Fast pins?

   given all the other bits of rigging a boat up; Do fast pins really save much time?  some of the split rings designs can be removed really quickly and it doesn't really take more than 20 seconds to change the position

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Neptune Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neptune Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Fast pins? Posted: 20 Oct 12 at 7:03pm
	given all the other bits of rigging a boat up; Do fast pins really save much time? some of the split rings designs can be removed really quickly and it doesn't really take more than 20 seconds to change the position
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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 12 at 6:44pm
	I had one pull out on one side and bend that chain plate thing, lucky I spotted it before we went out. It's such an archaic system I can't believe it's still used in the twenty-first century.
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Lukepiewalker Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lukepiewalker Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 12 at 6:17pm
	The only issue I've ever had with fast pins has been a metric/imperial mismatch where the pins are slightly smaller diameter than the hole so they can fall out.
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Noah Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Noah Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 12 at 6:05pm
	Fast pins have been almost standard practice in Fireballs for years. I've never seen one bend or break. The internally machined part of the pin is outside the loaded area when installed so it's no different to a normal pin.
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Oatsandbeans Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oatsandbeans Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 12 at 5:31pm
	You cant really go up a size as you couldn't get a thicker pin through the hole in the shroud adjuster. My thinking was that if the solid pins bent, the fast pins must be weaker as they are not solid due to the internal mechanism. Thus they could be suspect ( but if no one has ever seen them go, I shouldn't really waste my time worrying about them!)

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	I can't really think of a reason why the Ronstan ones should be significantly stronger or weaker than the conventional design. After all if its the same thickness of the same grade of stainless steel... I'm not familiar with the others. Really I think you just need to go up a size...

Oatsandbeans Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oatsandbeans Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 12 at 1:44pm
	Has anyone seen a fast pin break? I have in the past used both the Ronstan type with the steel ring pull and the blue ones with the central button, and never brocken them but I wondered if they were safe or a problem waiting to happen.(i have managed to bend some regular rigging pins recently and wondered if the fast pin could have taken that load)