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    Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 1:04pm
I agree but recently in France I spotted at least 6 boats lining up for a non existent gap by the committee boat.  Oggie says he is new to dinghy racing and I would suggest that he takes care to avoid getting into this situation.  The fact that you can't just ram people into the committee boat is covered by giving room to keep clear but it doesn't mean they will.  My advice is to avoid the trap unless you are sure that you are perfectly lined up with no risks of being stuffed up into the mark or committee boat.  I have lost count of the number of times that I have been perfectly lined up and people have barged in and forced me to bear away to avoid damage which also is not always possible on a crowded start line.  Thank god for port biased lines  Wink

I have given that a little more thought now and guess that the advise should not, necessarily, be what rights one has but also the sensible action to avoid getting into a difficult situation.  I remember The Art of Course sailing by Graham Green where I read something like 'here lies the body of Harold Day who insisted on his right of way'  Wink

The reality is that if you approach the starboard start mark (normally a committee boat) from above the lay line it's likely that you will be obliged to go wrong side of the mark or end up having to do a 720.  Even below the lay line on a crowded, starboard biased, line you may get squeezed out.  Better to go just a few lengths down the line than get into all sorts of trouble.  Remember that only one boat ever gets the perfect start at the favoured end of the line.


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Spithill seemed to get away with putting Coutts into the Commitee boat recently without any penalty from memory, with damage done & frankly dangerous at the speed these boats move at for both those on the Commitee boat and onboard Coutts boat 
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Spithill didn't put Coutts into the committee boat. Coutts was barging, but there was actually enough of a gap for him to get through. Problem was his approach was too high and he couldn't get the boat to bear off fast enough.


Much more of a problem, of course, with an ACWS style reaching start.

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All the comment at the time suggested Spithill shut him out ie at that speed put him into the Commitee boat although looking at the video again there were boats below Spithill as well.  
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Thanks everyone for the various references and experiences relating to the treatment of the Outer Distance Mark. I think I'll keep away from the extremeties of the start line in the near future.
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Originally posted by Oggie

Thanks everyone for the various references and experiences relating to the treatment of the Outer Distance Mark. I think I'll keep away from the extremeties of the start line in the near future.
You should have the applicable rules sussed by now.
 
Don't shy away from starting at the right place:  if that's an end near one of the starting marks, you need to be prepared to mix it with other boats, and develop your boat handling, judgement and application of the rules to enable you to get the best start possible.
 
Read the books:
  • RYA Tactics,
  • Twiname - Start to Win,
  • Rules commentary of your choice:  Bryan Willis book for the 2013 rules is coming out real soon now:  excellent book for beginners.
 
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The main skill to learn is how to stop your boat suddenly! If you can do that, and realize that the gap you were going for no longer exists, then you can stop, wait a few seconds for a new gap to appear, and then accellerate (another good skill to learn!) and go, without having to sail a big loop to get out of the way. I'm pretty sure that back issues of Y&Y have articles by John Emmet on how to do such things, or there are youtube clips, no doubt. Then go practice without lots of other boats around... Using a mark as a point of reference is useful.
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