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    Posted: 14 Sep 12 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by gbrspratt

doesn't anything become an obstruction if your stupid enough to get close to it?

No: because its a definition in the rules: see what I posted on the first page. In many ways the definitions are the most important part of the rules, because most of the rules can't be understood without understanding the definitions they use.
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doesn't anything become an obstruction if your stupid enough to get close to it?
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

I have to say I've never heard a lobster pot called as an obstruction, it would make interesting racing down at Bognor & Felpham, they are everywhere down there and anyway how many boat lengths is required, it's hardly a riverbank or something never ending that could likely occasion damage...


I don't think there is a requirement for an obstruction to be capable of causing damage. A length of rope that can ensnare your rudder is an obstruction if it's long enough, as is a big patch of floating weed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 12 at 11:03am
From the description of 2m of line on the surface, it seems marginal whether it is an obstruction or not. It might depend on whether the sailor reasonable believed the line continued away from the pot at a shallow angle, which might make it necessary to pass several metres upwind/uptide of it.

So the call for room to tack should be respected.
But having tacked onto port, the hailing boat would need to tack back onto starboard to avoid the starboard boat, or pass behind it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 12 at 2:41pm
Any mark or buoy can be an obstruction if it meets the definition.

Unlike rule 18, rules 19 and 20 are safety rules designed to protect boats. It is irrelevant what the obstruction is except that rule 19 does not apply at a mark unlessthe mark is a continuing obstruction.

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pot was attached to line with small buoy i.e. size of 4litre milk bottle and approx 2m of line showing on the surface. tide was not running hard maybe 1knot max....

similar to tis....
Not that it matters but everyone else avoids the pots as they interfere with your speed! We have lots of pots (east coast) and this is the first time i have heard someone call water for a pot, surely it is the same scenario as calling water for a channel mark?
i.e. it is not a mark of the course so is not an obstruction?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 12 at 11:34am
Please describe lobster pot  -  i presume we are talking about the buoy. Was it a heavy dan buoy or a milk bottle? Was there a pick up line trailing downwind? Was there a pot line near the surface?

A protest committee would have to decide if, when a boat was one boat length from, and sailing directlt towards, the object the seamanlike action would be to make a substantial course change. If so the pot was an obstruction.
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I have to say I've never heard a lobster pot called as an obstruction, it would make interesting racing down at Bognor & Felpham, they are everywhere down there and anyway how many boat lengths is required, it's hardly a riverbank or something never ending that could likely occasion damage...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 12 at 11:10am
1. Boat 1 (the one who claims they had to tack for an obstruction) was required to give the hailed boats time to respond. This includes any time required for boat to windward to hail another boat. If she hailed and tacked almost immediately she broke rule 20.1a.


Once boats were on port the starboard boat was an obstruction for all boats on port. Furthest boat, the one required to act first to keep clear of Starboard can hail for room to tack back on to starboard. AsSargesail says thisis now a straight rule 10 incident.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Sep 12 at 10:38pm
If you are coming out on port having done the Room call among yourselves, and then found a starboard tacker who nobody asked, for room then you are the Give Way boat.  Your choice is tack back, or duck.  Straight Port and Starboard obstruction irrelevant because of the way the port tackers went about it.
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