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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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Sound signals at the finish have no meaning under RRS. From the ISAF Race Management manual.
The RYA race management handbook's view:
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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They RYA seem to be out of touch with their management guide then. Pretty much every club/open/nationals that I have entered over the years always gives a signal if you finish ans nothing if you do not. this helps indicate that there was an issue and you need to take action. otherwise how is a competitor to know they need to request redress until the results are published (which is usually after the time limi has expired)?
Perhaps this should be addressed somehow? You never know the new rules may take this in to account.
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Probably more a case of most ODs never reading the RYA documents.
As for time limits - The time limit would be 2 hours after the posting of the results on the official notice board. The "incident" occurs when the race committe makes the boats score significantly worse by posting a result that is, allegedly, erroneous. Rule 62.2 |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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We use a hoot for 1st to cross, followed by a bell for the rest. It certainly feels better to acknowledge that someone has crossed the line, and stops the constant "have I finished?" question, especially when using average lap times.
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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Many, many, many years ago I crewed for a friend in his Merlin for the Bala Long Distance Race and just as we crossed the finish line a brass band started up
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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Excellent!
I'll suggest something like that to our race committee, but I don't know how they will all fit on the committee boat!
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OK this happened yesterday at our club. A boat was clearly over the line and was witnessed by several boats in the same start and from people on the shore. The RO gave a second sound signal and put a flag up. The only problem was he put the shorten course flag up instead of the individual recall.
He scored this boat OCS but then a protest hearing was held and quite rightly the OCS boat was re-instated as the correct procedure was not followed.
Now my question is could one of the other competitors in the race have protested someone for being over the line? (The evidence and witnesses available would have backed this up. I guess we could even call the RO as a witness.)
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Boat should not have been reinstated: she should have been given adjusted time/placing allowing for the time she would have taken to return and restart correctly if the recall signal had been given correctly. See Post 3.
Yes, any boat would have been entitled to protest. Hail, flag if necessary at first reasonable opportunity after the incident, with written protest delivered in time required for protest to be valid.
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If the boat was clearly over the line, and it is established as a fact that it was clear to the boat involved that she was over the line then she was NOT entitled to redress. Redress should only be granted when the OCS call is not obvious and the boat can only know that she is OCS by the flag and sound sugnals.
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With hindsight we should have protested them but as we did not indicate it at the time our protest would also have been refused on a technicality.
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