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    Posted: 17 Jul 12 at 12:01pm
Except, the RtIR is the one race where it's possible to come across a Bavaria with in mast furling, and 5 people sitting in the cockpit, and they're racing.
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Except, the RtIR is the one race where it's possible to come across a Bavaria with in mast furling, and 5 people sitting in the cockpit, and they're racing.


You might but generally you don't, because the ISC classes start after the "proper" race classes.

I've done too many RTIRs to have kept count and don't recall a time I had a problem distinguishing cruising boats.

As you've hinted elsewhere, this is in any case not a race where the prudent presume that everyone has a fine grasp of the racing rules.


Edited by blueboy - 17 Jul 12 at 12:12pm
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Originally posted by blueboy

Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Except, the RtIR is the one race where it's possible to come across a Bavaria with in mast furling, and 5 people sitting in the cockpit, and they're racing.


You might but generally you don't, because the ISC classes start after the "proper" race classes.

I've done too many RTIRs to have kept count and don't recall a time I had a problem distinguishing cruising boats.

As you've hinted elsewhere, this is in any case not a race where the prudent presume that everyone has a fine grasp of the racing rules.

I think your missing the specific point here though, some of the 'proper race classes' had their race cancelled but still went round in full on racing mode. So they looked exactly like they were racing but in fact were not.
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If they are people who race and know they are not racing, you'd hope they've the courtesy and knowledge not to impede those who are racing. If you are really, really unsure if a boat is racing and asking them is impossible, you've got to assume colregs apply.

As for "racing for line honours", this is either someone taking the mickey or woefully misinformed. I suspect the former.
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Originally posted by Quagers

I think your missing the specific point here though, some of the 'proper race classes' had their race cancelled but still went round in full on racing mode. So they looked exactly like they were racing but in fact were not.
 
Well, at least 'someone' said that was what happened.
 
And if it did:
 
A boat that is racing gets rolled to windward and gassed out the back door by one of these boats that is not racing because she has never had a preparatory signal.
 
You can't lay a glove on her:
 
 Preamble to RRS Part 2 (When Boats Meet) provides:

 

The rules of Part 2 apply between boats that are sailing in or near the racing area and intend to race, are racing, or have been racing.  However, a boat not racing shall not be penalized for breaking one of these rules, except rule 23.1.

 
The 'fast cruising boat', although she is 'in or near the racing area':
  • is not racing
  • has not been racing
  • arguably, does not intend to race.

Is rule 2/69 all we are left with?

 
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