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    Posted: 30 Mar 12 at 10:27am
Well it's actually 8 knots and is windspeed, it's at that point one hull will begin to lift clear and it releases.

8 knots has always been the threshold below which there has been almost a Holy Grail of a challenge to get even windsurf boards actually planing. Kiteboards can do it, I've managed to plane to windward in 5 knots with a big kite and wide board. I would probably guess that foilers don't do much in less than 6 knots, so this thing was never likely to do anything much under 8 knots.

The point is for someone light and not particularly boat handling capable (no years of auto response at the tiller) without a crew, to manage some half decent sail area single handed and go fast , fast being faster than currently able in what is available on the market to me in any kind of breeze above 10 knots.

So I win if I achieve that, I lose if it could be demonstrated that I could sail something else round a given circuit faster at my current ability level and willingness to spend the rest of my waking moments practising, I've always been able to do that in light weather, every boat I've sailed I can make go well in light weather, this will be the first I can't do that with, but...

..And this is such a big bonus, I can do with it what I like, if I decide I want a bigger rig I can do it, if I want to move a cleat, there are no howls of derision and suggestion that the 'class won't like it and it'll be illegal'.

Getting back to it being sticky, that could have been designed out by having those hull sponsons rounded and for sure on a lake or inland it would be faster in light stuff, but, the potential for top end speed would have been less imv and I remain confident that once up and away it is going to fly having already once experienced that, albeit briefly.

And sailing it is just such a gas, it's so easy, something comes adrift, I wander up the nose to sort it, it's stable to do this even without the plate down, but then when it gets going, it is so edgy trying to keep it balanced on one hull from way up there in the air on those racks, I'm going to have to jack them up with 'suspension units' (rubber exhaust mounts) so the rack the other side doesn't engage.

My only disappointment is the kite, it's so er blue and I want a red one..



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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Well it's actually 8 knots and is windspeed,
 
he said 9 knots hull speed but if you wish to delude yourself please continue.
 
Your objective seems to have narrowed somewhat ... just so be better in 10knots of breeze ... Confused
 
In 10 knots of breeze even you could have managed many of the existing classes that go fast.
 
I thought your objective was to create a beast that you could hack around at high speed on lumpy seas off steep beaches in 20+ knots without spending all you time upside down ...
 
 
 
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look forward to seeing your new build custom boat Seamonkey.
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Originally posted by Neptune

look forward to seeing your new build custom boat Seamonkey.
 
 
With 226 different classes listed here I feel I will always be able to find somthing that suits
 
 
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surely red and black kite GRF would be better and can be done quite easily or all red just as easy
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Originally posted by Neal_g

surely red and black kite GRF would be better and can be done quite easily or all red just as easy

It's your next task, the kite is all wrong, clew is too high, it's a 700 kite rigged mast head and I've checked the 700 don't rig them that way, probably why they only put that stupid short pole on..
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Of those 226 classes I'd find it difficult to pick more than a small handful though, especially once the keel boat, model yachts, cats, etc have been taken out.
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Ok, give me the name of a boat that somebody 67 kgs can single hand and sail to say 970 handicap with ease. (That isn't a sailing jet ski (cat))

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Originally posted by seamonkey

Originally posted by Neptune

look forward to seeing your new build custom boat Seamonkey.
 
 
With 226 different classes listed here I feel I will always be able to find somthing that suits where I sail, the type of courses on offer, the prevailing wind and water conditions and the other boats that my fellow club members race.
 
 

FTFY- of course if you sail at the location featured below, with it's legendary shoredump and extreme sailing conditions, which quite frankly, God him very self couldn't get his Mirror dinghy through unscathed... well, you might just need to build something appropriate yourself  Wink



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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Ok, give me the name of a boat that somebody 67 kgs can single hand and sail to say 970 handicap with ease. (That isn't a sailing jet ski (cat))

Too true.  Scow is the only way forward if you wanted to stay true monohull.  

Whether I'd view the V-Twin as true monohull to sail is another matter.  The big test for me is if you are able to sail it easily heeled onto one 'hull' in light airs - something that seems impossible in cats, including  the Vortex and makes them extremely dull in those conditions.  Whereas on a real scow:

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