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    Posted: 21 Mar 12 at 9:38pm
I can answer the questions regarding F18 / 16 and the A classes.....
 
The formula (16 /18)  boats are blanket rated on the max-min of the class rules were they meet the rating points of the rule (lenght; width; sail areas etc).  Where the item is not rated (Board's for example) then the team took a decision on the "current best practice within the fleet" to get a factor/measurement.
 
The A class is even more difficult as many items within the class are not controlled (luff length being critical for a rating; the A was free and I believe may now have some limits.....)
 
So; the A class has a number of ratings as there may be vast differences.  these are just some of the options; As stated by farc anal; in theory all A's could have a different rating.
 
IF you want to claim a "boat" rating (for say a Tiger) you need to get the boat formally measured to get a rating other than the blanket F18.
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Cheers for the answer simon, so just to clarify the whole fleet gets hammered because the latest nacras have long boards even though they make up about 5per cent of the countries fleet.
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Originally posted by oz man

Cheers for the answer simon, so just to clarify the whole fleet gets hammered because the latest nacras have long boards even though they make up about 5per cent of the countries fleet.
 
Kinda,  The guys chose current "winning" boat; not the newest.  I think the plates are based on the latest Hobie Wildcat.  Best check with Will.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote farc anal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 12 at 8:28am
Ah so

If the rating is based on sub optimal data such as centreboards and even mainsail top width for example , a formula boat such as an infusion with long boards (as you suggest above ) enters a handicap race , it shall have them remeasured and a new rating calculated as per the rules of schrs . 


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mmm , looking at f16 rating there cant be many sailing with .935 square tops  more like 1.00m . guess they will need remeasuring and recalculated too .

Thinking of renaming my boat "lucky white heather ", ive just put an even longer square top on this year hopeless attempt to get near competitive , but as this is now heavily penalised as used a a fudge factor to try and sort f18 ratings out , I expect my rating to be relatively worse than ever .

I wonder too  if they took into account the height of the square top as this must relatively change things , other than the origonal input to calculation for luff length , ie would square top of same length inccur same penalty , if it was say a metre lower down ??

am guessing if folks are to sail within schrs rules theres going to be a lot of re measuring going on,

for those with measurements exceeding published data it is a requirement of the rule , and those penalised as less than optimal would be in best interest .such as may be the case for oz . by the way oz have you checked your square top length relative to the dimension rated , you may be taking a hit here too ? 

I remember speaking to Robin Smith in my 5.9 days and he was saying that one 5.9 he bought was a dog , after checking everything out found no differences till he weighed it , it was considerably heavier than his old boat , he then weighed a few 5.9s and found a range (i hazily remember ) of an astonishing 30 kgs (or at least a substantial margin)  from lightest to heaviest   , try putting that in schrs formula .makes you think .

He mentioned that he found lost tools encased in resin lying in one 5.9 !!!!!!!!


I'm guessing oz has opened a can of whoop ass worms here .







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Post Options Post Options   Quote oz man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 12 at 8:57pm

like i said in my first post it dosent really affect me that much as i do very little handicap racing (certanly not enough to get my boat remeasured) and also as i am happy enough to sail boat on boat at open meetings i dont really have a problem sailing off the same rating at the piers etc.

also all handicap systems are on to a hidding into nothing anyway unless you take into account the weather sea state etc. for example when i had my aclass i was more than happy if the beat was against the tide but if the wind was the other way round you basically had no chance against the kite boats.
coupled with variable weights as mentioned above in one design fleets the ratings bods like simon can only do their best.
thanks must go to them for doing such a hard job (i wouldnt want to do it)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote catmandoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 12 at 10:06pm
Your lucky re class racing , we're lucky we ve got schrs and that they do respond to feedback and continually improve the formula, and for the above eventualities the rule does cater for.

Not there yet for us singlehanders but moving in right direction
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Post Options Post Options   Quote oz man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 12 at 8:16am
Tbh mark thats the main reasons why i got rid of the A i was fed up with the handicap thing, it just depended on conditions as to who one. No ones fault just how it is.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote catmandoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 12 at 2:52pm
Yes I know where your coming from , really enjoyed my H5.9 days and near class racing  , but crew leaving and no prospect of a replacement saw me reurn to singlehanding as you know , still i've always been handicapped with my incredible bulk  LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Quote oz man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 12 at 6:08pm
my main handicapp is  an oustanding lack of talent otherwise i think i could have made it as a pro.
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