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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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Hmmm its funny really if my home club Broadstairs Is so rubbish then how come the guy who has just bought my vareo (oh and he comes from hythe) wants to sail the rest of season here at the very club you are moaning about.Still at least some of the hythe sailors came along to support the event unlike people from other clubs that are quite close to us
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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As has been said, any club can seem unwelcoming if you catch the wrong person, and very welcoming if you catch the right one.
Clubs which have their race hut where the public can wander by have an interesting problem - they must get fed up with daft questions from grockles, but at the same time should keep a friendly face on or end up having their reputation tarnished on the internet, and causing the reputation of sailing to be tarnished in the wider community.
When in America last year, we went to a fantastic sailing club down West Virginia way. It was a Monday afternoon, so really didn't expect anybody to be there, just thought we'd look at the water and the boats. However, there were people there, the bar was open, we were bought drinks (and told, no we weren't allowed to buy, as not members, so the drinks were on them), the kids played on the enormous pirate ship they had on the shore, and we spent several great hours there. All in all, a very welcoming experience, and one I at least try and emulate at Whitefriars when visitors come down, and least to a small extent.
I think I would far rather see a list of clubs on here that people have been made to feel welcome at than one naming clubs at which they had a bad experience, which could be a one off. Mind, so could a good experience, I guess!
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AndrewLB ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 16 Aug 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
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Well I can do both Rupert's "clubs that are good" and GRF's "clubs that hate you" categories.
Everywhere you go people tell you that Hayling is snooty and cliquey. I arrived there as a relative unknown 10 years ago having never been there before with a brand new 700 straight from chandlers ford. Within half an hour a couple of guys had offered to help unpack & rig it with me. Maybe it helped that I'd turned up with the growth class du jour but within a couple of weeks I felt part of the club. The staff are all really helpful and a good proportion of the fleet can be found in the bar afterwards discussing technique and tactics. I'm always surprised at the accusations of snobbery and wonder why it is that some people don't seem to feel welcome; are they intimidated? Is it the fact that sailing in the harbour requires a good year's worth of experience to know the marks and the tide? Who knows? At the other end of the scale... A group of us had decided to try something different from our usual abersoch summer jaunt and decided to do Camel week instead. On the first evening we went to the club for a drink after racing to be told "I'm sorry but it's members only this evening". During their open summer regatta! Mental. Maybe they could tell we were from Wolverhampton but there was a real sense of being looked at down noses all week despite acquitting ourselves quite well on the water. Maybe it's moved on but it was very unwelcoming in 1997 and we didn't go back. |
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rogue ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 978 |
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Yep- had the same thing happen at Royal Burnham YC during Burnham Week- fortunately the Corinthian had a more tolerant approach to serving underage drinkers. ![]() |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I know the club Roger refers to (I used to be a member there) but it's not on a moor and it's hardly a pond....otherwise his description is pretty much spot on I'm afraid.
My list of great clubs is probably topped by Bala - I've had so much great sailing there, but more importantly, the people are really friendly and helpful. |
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the same, but different...
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Late starter ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 481 |
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I'm more inclined to think that there's sometimes a problem with "snooty SC members" rather than snooty clubs. As others have said, it's all down to the individual member one meets. I sail at a small club that I've always found to be incredibly friendly and welcoming, yet one or two of our committee members, unpaid and hard working though they may be, have the interpersonal skills of a cornered ferret and if approached by a newcomer can sometimes be incredibly rude. But for every ferret type I've met in sailing I've met dozens of friendly, pleasant, and helpful people !
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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I've always thought of myself as a temporary member of any club I have attended an open meeting at. Especially as I have paid an entry fee to use all of the facilities. If they are not available to me then I won't be going back and I will tell the CA of my disapproval.
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Quite right. Absolutely spot on Mark. Well said. I am of the opinion that if you don't want "outsiders" at your club then don't invite them. Problem solved really. And if you can't say anything nice, stfu. PS... I am going to Whitefriars for free drinks. What a guy that Rupert is. HURRAH !!!!
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Bring the Osprey, Pierre, and I'll get Roger D up with his Hornet, and we can make a party of it...
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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Hi All
the last two clubs for the Phantom nationals have been great Stone sc and Lyme Regis. I tend to avoid clubs with Members only bars as this lends itself to them and us attitude but I do have some sympathy with large clubs who have to run opens all year to solvent. But when my aged mother and wife turned up to see me come ashore from an open event and were told no you c'ant park in there your not sailing or a member with me having asked the petty hitler on the start of the causeway when I arrived in the morning. I hope the attitude for that club has changed now as i think the lottery gave them lots of dosh. My club in the past was not exempt due to some ex services people who still thought it was a wardroom and told one prospective member to come back when he was 3 ranks higher funnily enough he joined another club half a mile away. Regards Gordon |
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