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fudheid ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 11 Location: 51.53 N 01.28 E Online Status: Offline Posts: 241 |
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[QUOTE=olly_love]im guessing your racing at felixstowe,
i used to raise my foils and sail over the bar, its just a good tactic, and nothing in the club rules says you cant, normally they make you go around the green and red markers to stop you going through the cut well the club rule race under the isaf rules........also having raced at felixstowe they don't always put the bar buoys in - makes it interesting when you have a choice of entrys (fnarr ![]() |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6662 |
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Think there may have been a bit of Chinese whispering going on... Lifting the rudder so as to better paddle with it, for instance, to scull with the rudder on the startline is prohibited under propulsion rules. Lifting the rudder to clear sandbanks is fine under RRS. Then anything that is in the class rules of any particular class always applies to that class, even in handicap racing, because RRS says you must obey class rules. So in this case the Laser rules say you can only lift the rudder in shallow water. |
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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OK so we have done the Laser, what about any other classes?
Also are there any other "odd" class specific rules that you may not know about. For example I think the RS200 does not allow goosewinging the kite.
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tomoore1 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Jun 08 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 99 |
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What if you have a load of weed on the rudder, could you raise and lower it to clear it?
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GybeFunny ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403 |
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In a laser a couple of roll tacks will clear the rudder of allbut the most stubborn weed. There is a silly thing in the laser rules that states: No part of the helmsman or crew may be placed forward of the mast while racing. What is the point of that rule? |
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GybeFunny ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403 |
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Thats not quite true, the class rules seem to say you can boom out the kite to windward but cant hold it with your arm. The circuit SIs tend to say you cant goosewing at all but that just applies at circuit events. < ="text/">#toc, .toc, .mw-warning { border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); padding: 5px; font-size: 95%; }#toc h2, .toc h2 { display: inline; border: medium none; padding: 0pt; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold; }#toc #toctitle, .toc #toctitle, #toc .toctitle, .toc .toctitle { text-align: center; }#toc ul, .toc ul { list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; margin-left: 0pt; padding-left: 0pt; text-align: left; }#toc ul ul, .toc ul ul { margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 2em; }#toc .toctoggle, .toc .toctoggle { font-size: 94%; }body { text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0in; text-align: left; font-weight: normal; font-variant: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; widows: 2; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; }table { }td { border-collapse: collapse; text-align: left; vertical-align: top; } The clew of the spinnaker or jib may only be boomed-out to set on the opposite side to the mainsail. This rule can be changed by event Sailing Instructions. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6662 |
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Would have thought the point was obvious. Its to stop you having to crawl in front of the mast to be competitive in the light stuff. If you did have to sail the boat in that awkward manner how many people at inland clubs would say "stuff that" and go and buy a Solo? |
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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Lukepiewalker was quoting LASER class rules not the RRS'.
Here is a class rule from the FIREFLY which could prohibit the action described in the opening post;
FIREFLY class sailing rule 11, d) (iii) The blade of a lifting rudder shall not be raised intentionally or be allowed to remain raised, whilst racing. A boat that gains tactical advantages through raising the rudder (albeit temporarily and/or accidentally) is liable to disqualification. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Quite right about the Firefly, and I always keep mine down. Mind, when the wind gets light I can switch to an old style spoon rudder, which is "up" anyway!
Interesting about the Laser - all ours sail with them up in light winds, I think, and the lake is mainly more than 1.5m. How does one go about stopping the practice without resorting to protest? Some classes (British Moth springs to mind) have very few rules on rudder shape, so I assume lifting the blade isn't a problem. |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Why would you not want to 'resort' to a protest? Protesting is part of the game. If you think another boat has broken a rule and you want that boat penalised, you SHOULD protest.
OK, so you don't want to be seen to 'ambushing' other competitors with a little-known rule. Here are some things you can do:
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