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patj ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Jul 04 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 643 |
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There is no obligation in the rules - despite what older club members may claim as their reason for not giving way if you didn't hail "Starboard".
Sailing is an "equal opportunities" sport so the sailors can be deaf and/or dumb.
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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The give-way boat's helm looking you in the eye is no guarantee that they a) realise that you are ROW, or b) will give way. I nearly has my head removed by a running boat's jibstick the other day while ROW boat... I didn't hail 'cos I KNEW he'd seen me.
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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1) No hail required by the rules, but a hail does make it clearer to a protest committee that you're aware of your rule 14 (no contact) obligations. 2) You must comply with 16.1 - giving room when altering course. (and with 16.2)
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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Also not sportsmanlike behaviour - it's a breach of rule 2 (fair sailing). See ISAF case 47.
The penalty for breaking 2 is a DNE - disqualification not excludable - i.e. it can't be discarded and must be counted in a series/regatta score.
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Foiling_Toff ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113 |
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This thread has made me think about an incident I had in a race once. Started right in the middle of the line on starboard, and shouted loudly and enthusiastically at several boats on port, which most of the fleet heard. I then tacked on to port, ducked one boat, but missed one right behind it which ended with me doing turns. I felt so silly at the time, having shouted so loudly at everyone else, then failing to keep clear of another boat seconds later. Of course I don't blame the other boat in the slightest, but had they called, I would have easily avoided them, which would have befitted both our races, let alone help to avoid a collision.
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Even if it's just because he can't tell his left from his right on occasion? genuine mistake, there was no collison and they didn't take avoiding action.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I think there's a strong argument to suggest that if you can't tell port from starboard you shouldn't be calling for right of way...
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Foiling_Toff ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113 |
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or racing at all really. Sounds harsh, and as a back-of-the-fleet sailor I'm keen to get as many people involved as possible, but there is a certain level of competence required.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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I had a Port Starboard incident last night, racing boards, I was on the layline on an evaporating lift, the other fella was coming in on Port, I warned him with a 'you're not going to make it Barry' he ignored it as they all seem to these days (I'd sworn not to race with them until they cleaned up their rule adherence) we collided his momentum carried him through I got forced round had to tack then tack back he wouldn't do his turns and I eventually stropped off, before I left, I caught him and a couple of others up by missing a buoy, they started whining.. I said "Well why? Is it in the rules you have to race around all the buoys? It's much easier to miss one if your not doing well, like ignoring Port Starboard collisions..
It's why I like sailing in boats, they do at least obey more of the rules, not all of them but more and without rules why bother...
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I think it depends on the event... I anticipate raw beginners in club races getting confused, and I cut them lot of slack... The poor 11 year old in his Topper in his first couple of races is feeling stressed enough seeing the very long and very sharp bow of the Canoe hurtling towards him, and I'll probably duck him if he's on port rather than start yelling and get the poor lad even more confused and probably stuck in irons right in front of me trying to crash tack... |
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