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    Posted: 29 Mar 10 at 9:24pm
Sorry I didn't mean to be. If I may be forgiven and allowed to chip in, I think the 600 would be ebtter to narrow down, tha conver the 300. The 600 already has the foiling mainsail which could be made shallower im sure. And it can be reefed all for less drag. But then youd have to sort out a different attatchment point for the shrouds so maybe the 300 would be better.
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Keep your eye on the Moth for sale site - the cheaper boats do come up pretty regularly as people tend to move up the ladder. The also get snapped up pretty quickly mind...

I know of one that may be about to come on the market and will try and remember you when I see him next!
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Ive been thinking some more (my brain is hurting now) and
ive come up with an idea for the starting point of a
developement.

Ingredients:

1x Dart 15 hull
1x set of RS600 wings with controls
1x RS600 Rig
1x Laser or Topper mast section (for bracing of racks)
1x hydrofoil rudder
1x hydrofoil dagger with wand control
Some carbon and epoxy.

Method:

Bolt everything together. (It would pretty much be a
600FF but with a dart hull)

Anyone care to donate?



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Originally posted by Adamk93

Oh and Keith that is exactly what my friend has done. He has recently bought White Knuckle Express and its working fine for him. However atm there are NO boats at that price on the market, only low riders and I am not skillful enough to try the convert myself (i want a boat left at the end ) and that would still cost a reasonable amount.

 

wow White Knuckle is a piece of history. Tell your friend to take care of her......

as I said totally appretiate your problem and unless there are any cheaper foilerws come up you may be bst with the 600FF but beware for the odd flying leaps of the wire!

Good luck,

Cheers,

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Salty, I believe long ago a Moth sailor cut down a unicorn hull to make a Moth. Dart 15 hull with skeg and all may not be the right choice - why not an A class hull?!
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Couldnt the skeg be cut off and the gap be glassed over?

An A class hull would be a good choice but rather more
expensive im guessing.
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i want a moth, 1 foot longer with more power in the rig so that i can foil at
90 kilos. i would love to fo it, but sadly being 6'4" there is f all chance of me
getting down to even 85 kilos
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Originally posted by Jamesd

i want a moth, 1 foot longer with more power in the rig so that i can foil at
90 kilos. i would love to fo it, but sadly being 6'4" there is f all chance of me
getting down to even 85 kilos


The hull length is irrelevant - if you want to foil at the same time as the smaller guys you just need a bigger main foil. Having said that , if you can put up with foiling later in the light airs then you will go faster than them them on the same foils once going.

Foiling has done some pretty strange things to the weight range purely based on the amount of apparent being generated - in 12 knots of wind I'm seeing 20+knot apparent upwind and at 70 kilos I'm heavily depowered on 8M square. I dont think its got anything to do with how heavy you actually are as to rather making sure you know how to get your kit to work for you...
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The A Class Hull thing has been done by Steve (Cogito) Clark in the USA.
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I had a bit of time on my hands so i did a rough sketch on Photoshop of what i want to build one day.

Its pretty much a 600FF but the hull is long and thin and gradually tapers to a sharpish point at the front. Its kinda like the Mach 2 design except longer and with the raked bow being more swept back and a more curved structure, similar to the floats on BOR90.
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