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    Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 10:16pm
hmm looks like all of the RYA's wondering whether Perce, Ben et al could cope with going for beijing and doing team origin is gonna be irrelevent. Surely origin will have to fold/ or scale back dramatically its plans for next year. 

Old Ernesto has presided over what is a "right royal f**k up" all because he wanted the lions share of the cash for themselves and to tile the playing field (shift the breeze?) significantly in their favour.

I'm not sure whats more incompetent - the ISAF decision for 2012 or the decisions of ACM post possibly the most exciting / interesting final they'd been in years.

And I thought it was only the FA that couldn't manage the proverbial piss-up in a brewery..

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You seem to have swallowed GGYC's propaganda hook, line and sinker.

http://www.bymnews.com/news/newsDetails.php?id=18718 has a more balanced view from Team Origin.

 

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I agree it's Ernesto's fault. If he had not tried to create a club to be the COR none of this would of happened.

GGYC are American and are bound to chase any legal loop hole, it's part of their culture (if you can say America has a culture). The comments by Origin however are spot on. Once GGYC went to court Alinghi didn't want to know and used it as an excuse to delay things.

 

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You think BYM News offers a balanced view? Sure, GGYC aren't the good guys, but if the court find in their favour, surely they're not the only bad guys either?
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The only people who really understand what's happened are a handful inside the Alighi and GGYC camps and they aren't saying. What they do say needs to be taken with a shaker-full of salt.

Pretty much everyone outside ACM/Alinghi agrees the ACM33 protocol was deeply flawed.

The Oracle/GGYC action was conducted in a way with no regard to the predicament of teams who needed to raise corporate sponsorship (which is everyone except Alinghi and BMW Oracle). Until recently BMWO did not have support of the other teams and did not appear to be acting in a way that indicated a desire to settle outside court.

Now we move into more speculative statements. The uncertainty appeared to be causing team's sponsorship arrangements to unravel and prevent other teams from entering. ACM apparently had financial committments to Valencia based on the number of teams entering. Hence is seems likely that ACM needed to take a realistic view of the number of teams who could compete versus those committments and decided to pull the plug for 2009.

Meanwhile, but too late, GGYC did gain support of other teams and did appear willing to settle - but quite possibly well aware at that point that Alinghi would not, and hence angling to be seen as the white-hats in the situation.

The way this has developed has quite possibly stunted the development of the AC as a corporate-sponsored event for many years to come. How on earth can teams request multi-million budgets out from companies when there is no guarantee the event is even going to happen or when? It's quite possible this was Larry Ellison's intention all along, since he is able and apparently willing to fund an AC campaign out of his own loose change.

I think the comments from Team Origin are spot-on and consistent with the interpretation of events I've put forward. I believe the intrangience of both ACM and GGYC has brought about the demise of what looked likely to be a fantastic event, with the first serious British team in decades.

 



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There is long tradition in sport of using power, influence and authority in order to gain or maintain an advantage. Examples would be the way the English FA ensured that Scottish players were not available for Scotland's qualification campaign for the 1966 World Cup (that still rankles, the Scots would have beat the Sassenach's in the Final!) or the refusal of the big rugby nations to allow Argentina to participate in any meaningful competition.


Such gamesmanship has long been an intregral part of the America's Cup. At one time challengers had to sail to the USA, announce the challenging boat so long in advance that the Americans could build several new boats to develop a defender. The New York judiciary has long been an important actor in the ongoing saga of sports oldest trophy.

The Swiss tried to exploit their power to bias the competition in their favour, the Americans are using legal means to redress the balance. It's all part of the fun. we may well end up with 2 giant catamarans racing for the cup.

 The corporate sponsors will be back because the Cup is a fabulous opportunity to promote a corporate image.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 07 at 11:55am

Originally posted by gordon

 The corporate sponsors will be back because the Cup is a fabulous opportunity to promote a corporate image.

"Fabulous" compared to what?

Consider the VOR, which goes to great pains to ensure that sponsor's needs are met, including varying the port stopovers to match the core markets of team's sponsors.

Now consider the AC, which may or may not happen, at a date unknown, at a venue unknown, in a type of boat unknown.

So, Mr Marketing Director, where is your budget more likely to be spent? One thing business people tend to hate is uncertainty.

Louis Vuitton has decided the opportunity is resistable. So has Prada. UBS, which sponsored Alinghi, has announced it is as yet undecided.

Oh, and this fabulous catamaran spectacle, if it happens,  won't include a British team. Which, from my point of view, rather takes the gloss off things.



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VOR - boats disappear over the horizon, then reappear thousands of miles away. We see edited highlights.
AC - live broadcasts with a clearly identified winner.

The problem is not the event itself but the way Alinghi wants to organise it for their own benefit. Louis Vitton left because they refused Alinghis terms, as did Prada.

In view of the space given to sailing by British television I would assume that the UK market is very low down on any marketing directors priorities if they were thinking of getting involved in the AC. Which may explain the lack of British involvement. In France, for instance, sailing is the 3rd biggest TV sport... and they usually manage to get the finance to pay for a (usually unsuccesful, but that is another story). and Italy seemed to discover that sailing existed as a sport when "Il Moro" then Prada got involved.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Graeme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 07 at 8:56am

It's boring.........the sailing is secondary to the legal wrangling. Who cares if it's not run, I for one won't miss it.

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How is this going to affect things? Sounds like it's not good for anyone but BMW Oracle but I have to admit I don't fully understand the situation..
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