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    Posted: 21 Nov 07 at 5:33pm

What about 49er vs. 800?  my mate is about to buy a 49er and asked me to sail it with him(! !) but the only other 'fast' boat is an 800, what do you reckon would win?

 

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

there are some pretty handy sailors in the 9er class!!!!!!

I've heard there's a select handful

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Not much in it a 9er is quicker up wind downhill we are marginly quicker, on py the 9er doesnt stand much of a chance.  Havn't sailed against a 9er with the new rig yet though! I think that may be a completly different convo!  That is obviously with sailors of the same standard in the boat!  As we all know there are some pretty handy sailors in the 9er class!!!!!!
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Originally posted by RyanV49er

So what do you think would win between a 49er and your i14? 


well, here's a theory, a bear in mind I've not sailed a 49er and the last time I i14'd was over 10yrs ago (but since when did actual knowledge stop someone on this forum from putting forward a view!)

(rests one arm on bar for support (it's after 5.30 en France)) for me:

 i14 would have it over a 49er in any kind of waves upwind (hull shape, wings and t-foils) and in anything over 25knts I'd rather be in the i14. It gets more interesting on flat inland stuff and there I reckon the 49er has the edge upwind and it's probably going to be even downwind (i14 might shade it) but overall the 49er is probably faster.  When the 49er came out, it was probably faster than the i14's across the board, except in a blow, but now, I'd say the i14 is the quicker machine, a bit more 'chuckable' especially in tight situations (i.e. pre-start) and would have the edge due to the t-foils, more tweakable rig and more sea-friendly hull shapes now out there.

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So what do you think would win between a 49er and your i14?  And lets talk truthfully, without the class patritism that we always seem to get!  To be honest, I haven't a clue, as we rarely sail against anything other than 49ers.  However, what I can say for sure is that after a few years, speed has nothing to with why people sail 49ers, it comes down to the amazingly high quality competition, which you can't get in none Olympic boats.  (Not saying i14 competition isn't amazing, but you can't beat racing Olympic medalists)

Check our blog out.  We've just added on the water 49er footage, and a report from the 29er worlds in San Fran a few years back.

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Well if you want a Boss you will have to act quick if you find a reasonably priced used one they don't hang arround!  They arnt a major issue to right if you capsize, and will eat a 5k for breakfast!

It will eat 5k's

 

There's going to be a few at Grafham in the next few weeks come and see if you eat them !

 

Ok then we were thinking about doing the Grafham Asy winter series, bear in mind that the 5k has to beat us on handicap!  Hmmm a 15 year old laser skiff against the latest design international 14 no brainer mate!We used to sail a Boss and the 5k was loads slower then that!

I sailed the 5k for 8 years (as people on here will say I've said before! ) and we may have been beaten by a Boss, but I can't remember a time! But if I remember rightly the 5k is as original as it was the day it was released, whereas the Boss was modified(in a one design! ) to make it quicker. But checking the py of them the Boss is 847 and the 5k is 846???

I'm confused they made it quicker, yet the py is slower??

oh and where did the I14 come into it? Still we'll just sail the 49er against the I14 and leave the other 5k's to see if they can beat the boss!

 

PY counts for nothing i'm affraid especially on dead classes such as the 5k and boss! If you are going on PY the race us in the 14 with your 5k because we sail off 850!!  And yeah we will give you a go in the 14 against the 9er! just as long as it aint as gusty as last week at Grafham!   your original statement reads

"There's going to be a few at Grafham in the next few weeks come and see if you eat them ! "  Well i havnt sailed a Boss for some time and i presumed you meant in the 14!  After all the 5tonner is quicker then us on PY



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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by les5269

Originally posted by Merlinboy

Well if you want a Boss you will have to act quick if you find a reasonably priced used one they don't hang arround!  They arnt a major issue to right if you capsize, and will eat a 5k for breakfast!

It will eat 5k's

 

There's going to be a few at Grafham in the next few weeks come and see if you eat them !

 

Ok then we were thinking about doing the Grafham Asy winter series, bear in mind that the 5k has to beat us on handicap!  Hmmm a 15 year old laser skiff against the latest design international 14 no brainer mate!We used to sail a Boss and the 5k was loads slower then that!

I sailed the 5k for 8 years (as people on here will say I've said before! ) and we may have been beaten by a Boss, but I can't remember a time! But if I remember rightly the 5k is as original as it was the day it was released, whereas the Boss was modified(in a one design! ) to make it quicker. But checking the py of them the Boss is 847 and the 5k is 846???

I'm confused they made it quicker, yet the py is slower??

oh and where did the I14 come into it? Still we'll just sail the 49er against the I14 and leave the other 5k's to see if they can beat the boss!



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Just dont sail an 18 at Felixstowe, closest I have come to needing the RNLI!!, but any boat would have had problems withe the standing waves that day.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote GBR884 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 07 at 6:16pm

Whooooooo!! hold your horses.

There is only two of us and we have never used a bag kite before. plus our lake is tiny so we wont be able to practice there before we sail on the sea!!

Its only a matter of time though!!

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Originally posted by Splosh

Not so keen on a Bagged kite though. But it would be one step closer to a 18footer...

Is there any other options worth a look, or is it just what i said earlier?

Well stop messing about...

...and go and buy an 18!!!!!!!

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