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Zane81 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 13 |
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Hi Just a quick question regarding wind conditions inland, I have been sailing at Grafham Water for the past few weeks, the last weekend both days had very little wind but plenty of sunshine! It was quite difficult to sail in. I noticed in the afternoons a few more boats were on the water than in the mornings where there was only myself and perhaps one or two others. I didn't sail in the afternoons, but my question is; are the wind conditions better in the afternoon? Is the wind generally stronger inland after lunch? Could it have something to do with the land cooling? |
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laserboy404 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Mar 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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If the day is hot and there is only a light breeze, very
often a sea breeze will develop in the afternoon because as the land heats up it causes the air to rise and this in turn "sucks" in the cooler air off the sea and so a convection current is formed. I'm not sure how this process is affected by a greater distance from the sea, common sense says that the effect will be reduced. Edited by laserboy404 |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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I've sailed at Grafham for 30 years!
During the summer, we SOMETIMES get a wind increase at around 5-7PM on summer days. It has happened every summer I can remmeber, but it NOT predictable, but local weather did not predict it. Maybe something to do with wind circulations as a result of sea winds. I read something a while back that suggested you can get these kind of effects a fair way inland in certain conditions.....
Grafham is however a LONG way from the sea!!! I plan to be at the club on Sunday and hopefully Wednesday next week, |
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laserboy404 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Mar 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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that would make sense because on the broads in norfolk if
the weather is right we get a fairly reliable sea breeze filling in between midday and 4pm, obviously grafham is much further inland so the breeze would be later and less dependable. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Largeish lakes can also set up air currents, with the circulation meaning a dead patch in the middle.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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If its a warm day then the warmth of the ground will indiuce circulation in the air nearest the ground and tend to bring what wind their is near ground level. Late in the evening as the sun starts going down this effect reduces and then stops, which is why there is often a lull before sunset.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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On fine settled days, especially in summer, it is common for mornings to be still and a light breeze to fill in something around 10:30 or 11:00. This is because radiative cooling of the ground overnight causes a temperature inversion that prevents mixing of the air at ground level and a few 10s of metres up where the gradient breeze is stronger. As the sun heats the ground, the inversion breaks down, mixing begins and the breeze fills in. This is exactly the same reason why in the same conditions, you get a clear sky first thing in the morning but fluffy cumulus clouds start appearing from mid-morning onwards. In terms of sea-breeze moving inland, I live around 30 miles from the south coast and a few times a year, an obvious sea breeze arrives around 18:00 in the evening. The fluffy cumulus clouds disappear and a noticeably cool breeze suddenly fills in from the south-west. I used to fly gliders from a nearby airfield and once enjoyed a late afternoon soaring in the rising curtain of air as the sea breeze arrived - a very noticeable and obvious effect. But conditions have to be perfect for the sea-breeze to get this far inland.
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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Depending on how far you want to go into the subject. Try reading "wind Steategy" by Houghton & Campbell. Quite detailed but allows you to get your head round whats happening up there.
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Adam MR 1137 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 114 |
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We sail roughly 15 miles from the coast, and on some hot summer days we get a cool sea breeze coming in from about 15:00 onwards, which as Jim said earlier quite rapidly dies as things cool down towards sunset.
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tack'ho ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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In Ideal conditions Sea breeze fronts have been observed in
Birmingham! Not very often I might add. |
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