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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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The protest committee could possibly have given redress to the first 6 boats. Appropriate redress could have been that the results of the racestand!.
Such decidions are sometimes made, the aggreived parties areatisfied because thet improper action of the race committee has been recognised. Gordon |
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redders ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 41 |
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There was a situation a few years ago at an RS200 nationals. The spreader mark went walkabout in the tide and was a very long way to windward. The leading 6 boats bore away at the windward mark and went about 200 yards towards where the mark should have been looking for it. A safety boat then arrived at the windward mark and indicated the mark was missing and instructed everyone to sail directly to the leeward mark.The leading pack then also bore away but having travelled further were not impressed! The safety boat retrieved the mark and re layed it, and all further roundings were correct.
At the redress hearing the committee decided to bin the race but the decision was appealed and the race re-instated because the string rule applied. Quote : Consider the first lap as a practice lap!
This decision was also based on the fact that the race was shortened and the number of laps specified were not sailed anyway. |
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The Moo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809 |
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Can a competitor or sailing committee arbitarily make that decision? (that no correction is required because the lap didn't count?) |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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You have all spotted the deliberate error :
So according to the definition, unless an error in sailing the course is made at the finishing line then once you have crossed the line you cannot return and correct the error Apologies Gordon |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Thank you JimC and Contender541....
Now consider the following : - rule 28.1 states "She may correct any errors to comply with this rule" However from the definition: - A boat finishes when any part of her hull, or crew or equipment in normal position, crosses the finishing line in the direction of the course from the last mark, either for the first time or after taking a penalty under rule 4402 or, after correcting an error made at the finishing line, under rule 28.1" (my highlighting) So according to the definition, unless an error in sailing the course is made at the finishing line then once you have crossed the line you can return and correct the error. In the same way, the race committee cannot decide on their own if a boat has sailed the course and so should be considered as finishing. If the RC wishes to penalise the boat, they have to protest. Rule 63.1 is very clear " A boat shall not be penalised without a protest hearing except as provided in rules 30.2, 30.3, 67, A5 and P2." A race committee may only decide that a boat has not finished if the boat fails to cross the finishing line in the direction of the course from the last mark Gordon |
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Contender 541 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402 |
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You can only get a finish if you have sailed the correct course. Just because you have crossed the line does not mean you have finished If you sail the incorrect course on lap 1 and the correct course on lap 2 then all you have done is a very long correction of your error on lap 1. If the finish also happens to be on lap 2 then congrats, you have just finished having completed 1 lap only
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Iff you finish and then strike the finish mark your finish time gets taken when you take the penalty and cross correctly the second time, so I don't see why it should be different if you've missed a mark and go back. |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Where things get complicated is when a boat crosses the finishing line, then realise that they have sailed the course incorrectly. If she then goes back and sails the course correctly can the second passage of the finish line be taken as the boat's finish?
I have witnessed some empassioned debates with senior IJs about this one, so youropinion would be interesting. Gordon |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Rule 28 doesn't say anything about 'unwinding'.
Apply the 'string test' in the rule: either it works or it doesn't.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Interesting... I think they have to go back to where they went wrong and if necessary unwind that rounding, but I'd vote that the other marks have no significance. Case 106 says that provided the string goes round the marks the right side it doesn't matter if it also goes round marks the wrong side, and I think that brings us quite close to where we need to be.
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