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Andymac
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Topic: Port/Starboard hailingPosted: 12 May 11 at 5:32pm |
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Wobble
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Posted: 12 May 11 at 4:46pm |
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Agreed. I wouldn't hail anyone who is obviously aware that I am there, unless it becomes clear that s/he is too dim or bloody-minded to comply with the rule.
Which is why hailing is more than useless bawling. How many of us can honestly say that we have never been surprised by a boat on starboard? |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 12 May 11 at 4:35pm |
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We should not rely on the other chap hailing.
If you hailed every port boat at Cowes week, you'd lose your voice by Tuesday.
Also it becomes just part of the noise, you hear someone call starboard and put it down to the boat you are watching and are clearly going to miss, meanwhile there is another unseen boat behind the main.
There is little point in hailing a competent opponent who is well aware that you are there, if you are already sure he will avoid you.
Equally a hail is well received if I'm distracted by other things or whatever.
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Foiling_Toff
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Posted: 12 May 11 at 3:09pm |
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Ooo good, some phantom bashing |
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Wobble
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Posted: 12 May 11 at 3:05pm |
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Even if the rules don't require it, I'm all in favour of yelling starboard, with no offence offered or taken.
I find quite unnerving the seemingly novel practice of sneaking up phantom-like without uttering a sound. It's almost as if there's some sort of too-cool-to-hail thing going on. |
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Presuming Ed
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Posted: 13 Apr 11 at 3:35pm |
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You have to comply with 16.1 (and 16.2 - though it doesn't apply to your situation)
16 CHANGING COURSE 16.1 When a right-of-way boat changes course, she shall give the other boat room to keep clear. 16.2 In addition, when after the starting signal a port-tack boat is keeping clear by sailing to pass astern of a starboard-tack boat, the starboard-tack boat shall not change course if as a result the port-tack boat would immediately need to change course to continue keeping clear. So basically, if your alteration of course (luff to pinch, or luff to take the lift) is early enough that you've given him room to keep clear (Definition of room: Room The space a boat needs in the existing conditions while manoeuvring promptly in a seamanlike way), then you've complied with 16, and he has to keep clear. However, if it's a late luff, and there's nothing he can do to keep clear - you've basically luffed into him and hit him, and you've broken 16.1. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 13 Apr 11 at 12:39pm |
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So, if you are approaching a port boat when on starboard, and if you carry on your current course, he will clear you, are you allowed to pinch in order to force him to tack off (assuming you are giving time and oppotunity?) or to take a lift which does the same? And if so, are you still allowed to if you have hailed?
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JimC
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Posted: 13 Apr 11 at 12:39pm |
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GRF, I'm afraid you're just going to have to start protesting... If they spend a few evenings in the protest room instead of the bar then maybe they'll shape up. Surely you of all people aren't that bothered about winding a few people up!
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Posted: 13 Apr 11 at 12:18pm |
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Absolutely. One of the great aspects of a self policing sport like ours is that we can use some common sense when looking at rules and apply the letter of the law as and when its appropriate.
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JimC
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Posted: 13 Apr 11 at 12:12pm |
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I think it depends on the event... I anticipate raw beginners in club races getting confused, and I cut them lot of slack... The poor 11 year old in his Topper in his first couple of races is feeling stressed enough seeing the very long and very sharp bow of the Canoe hurtling towards him, and I'll probably duck him if he's on port rather than start yelling and get the poor lad even more confused and probably stuck in irons right in front of me trying to crash tack... |
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