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    Posted: 28 Jun 11 at 8:55am
Well twin poles held up at the nationals (unfortunately some other bits did not) I must say this system is awesome.  Single pole boats (be it launcher or standard push out) were loosing around 4 boat lengths (at least) ever gybe.  Its simply unreal, alas even twin poles can not stop your brand new kite popping a seam on the last day, or the dog sh*t Selden goose-neck (two months old) breaking on the second tack 2 miles out on the penultimate day.

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Well, we had a quick sail with the twin poles to make sure it all worked before the nationals (This week) and i am pleased to report it all worked chuffing well.  New sails are super sweet, although require some different settings to find the sweet spot.
 
All in all very please with the twin poles, the launcher is a super bit of kit, well made and certainly worth the money.  the separate guy and sheet system is very slick and makes launching and gybing sweet, quick and easy.  A couple of small issues to iron out, but its certainly usable in its current set up.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 11 at 6:52pm
Found a small advantage in twin poles the other day.  On a run to run gybe if you let the main sheet out too early, the single (now leeward) pole gets trapped between the boom and the shroud.  Then, when wrestled free, launches out sideways.

Meanwhile, the osprey that launched this post has gone single double ended pole.

PS: Ruscoe: isn't there some kind of "scientific method" thing in which one changes one variable at a time to see which thing is actually making a difference?   LOL  hope it all works!
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Originally posted by alstorer

Originally posted by Ruscoe

We will see if its worth it next week at the nationals, bit worrying as i have not used the system in anger yet, i am sailing with a new helm with a complete new set of sails (from a new maker) so quite a few variables to go wrong.
I make that at least four pre-emptive excuses LOL
And i need everyone of them, 40 boats already entered and some top names in the fleet this year.  so thats now 5.

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Originally posted by Ruscoe

We will see if its worth it next week at the nationals, bit worrying as i have not used the system in anger yet, i am sailing with a new helm with a complete new set of sails (from a new maker) so quite a few variables to go wrong.
I make that at least four pre-emptive excuses LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 11 at 10:34am
Right i now have the system set up on my boat, a few more tweaks are needed but essentially i am now ready for the nationals next week.  I will get some photos and possibly a shore side video of the system up over the next few weeks.  One thing i will say is from the drills we have been doing its so so sweet.  The kite stays filled whilst gybing (i know it should with single pole but easier said then done) With the separate guy and sheet system you literally pull out the new pole and hit the wire probably 5 seconds between gybes.  we were previously probably 20 seconds at best (if we are honest) but probably 30 seconds by the time we had stopped fecking about.  Down side is almost certainly the cost, i have not fully calculated how much i have spent on the system but early fag packet calculations suggest around £750-800, which is obviously not cheap.  We will see if its worth it next week at the nationals, bit worrying as i have not used the system in anger yet, i am sailing with a new helm with a complete new set of sails (from a new maker) so quite a few variables to go wrong.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 11 at 9:03am
Pole hight is controlled the same as a single pole system, the rope is just spliced into a Y shape.  As i set the system up on my boat i will add stage by stage guide on my blog and post the address up here.  I should have all the kit early April.  Thre is no doubt that the twin launching poles are quicker and smoother then our current single pole method.  Especially with idiots like us  in the boat.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 11 at 8:39am
That does look a very neat system especially on the white spinny boat where the helm seem to do the pole leaving the crew to get on wire. How is pole height controlled? the pole seemed low on both boats.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 11 at 7:01am
There's good articles on twin pole setup and spinnaker handling in the library of the Merlin Rocket class assoc website. I haven't seen a twin launcher before but am now tempted for the Merlin.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 11 at 7:12pm
Wow (youtube vid), you'd have trouble gybing an asymetric faster than that.  Lot of string tho.
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