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jeffers 
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 Topic: Windward Mark to StarboardPosted: 09 Nov 10 at 11:29am |
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I knew someone else would pipe up....
Starboard roundings are quite common in club 'round the cans' courses and can be fun.....
The bar banter after of often worth the chaos...
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gordon
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Posted: 09 Nov 10 at 11:14am |
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Starboard roundings are far more fun - which is why they are used in team racing and match racing.
Some people (not me I hasten to add) claim that starboard roundings are better for big fleets as the boat that has to tack is protected before she tacks by being on starboard. Gordon |
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bawbag
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Posted: 09 Nov 10 at 11:09am |
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starboard roundings tend to be messy at best , thats why most ro's try to give port roundings where possible , most championship courses are based on port roundings , rules better suited .
(head down !) although in certain circumstances they cant be avoided. Edited by bawbag - 09 Nov 10 at 11:10am |
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gordon
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Posted: 09 Nov 10 at 9:35am |
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If you've gone right on the beat tack well before the lay line - this leaves you the optopn of sailing beyond the port tack laylin eif there is a traffic jam at the windward mark.
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Simon368
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Posted: 09 Nov 10 at 9:26am |
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Thanks gentelmen for a clear explanation. I now understand. Still doesn't make starboard roundings in light winds any more pleasant.
And yes Rupert having to continue on because I couldn't tack in front of Adam at the first mark meant I then had to sail around two or three boats stuck head to wind and allow all the port tackers in behind me to slip through the gap left between the boats in irons. That cost me a possible 3rd at the windward mark instead of the 8th I actually got!
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Brass
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Posted: 08 Nov 10 at 10:07pm |
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Not necessarily if Gordon gets here first <g>
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gordon
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Posted: 08 Nov 10 at 5:11pm |
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Often in team racing a boat will come in on port a boat length above the lay line and sail round the melee.
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Rupert
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Posted: 08 Nov 10 at 4:59pm |
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Sorry, Simon, got the boats the wrong way round.
You are right, Gordon, the idea that the boat ahead wasn't allowed to tack at the mark if it would interfere with the boat behind was one that was causing chaos at the marks in the very light wind, especially as this meant that boats coming in on port not only had to be clear of a boat tacking round the mark from port but from those unable to tack. There would then be a general mess a little way from the mark, and boats coming in later could slip through the gap and sail away. Thats life, I guess!
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gordon
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Posted: 08 Nov 10 at 4:46pm |
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Remember that for an inside overlapped boat entitled to mark room - mark room includes room to tack
If however a boat is clear ahead when they enter the zone the boat clear astern is not required to give them room to tack - they can push clear ahead boat beyond the mark. Gordon |
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jeffers
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Posted: 08 Nov 10 at 3:34pm |
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Firstly let us clarify we are talking about Mark Room which is clearly defined in the RRS and is applicable when the bow of the closest boat enters and imaginary circle with a radius of 3 boat lengths (unless this has been varied to 2 or 4 by the SI's).
If a boat has established the overlap 'at the zone' then they are entitled to Mark Room which is room to sail to then proper course at said mark.
It sounds to me like it was clear cut and the overlap was established (and agreed by both both boats) therefore Mark Room should have been given.
Remember you are always bound to avoid a collision if possible and protest/request redress later.
Just my 2p, I am sure Brass will be along shortly to clarify, he always seems to appear when there are Rules questions....
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