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    Posted: 30 Apr 09 at 4:24pm
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Originally posted by ellistine

Now there's a thought. Turn the lowers upside down. Put the shackle at the top and the 'string' at the bottom.

But then it won't match the rigging diagram - watch those class rules!

Fortunately (or unfortunately) the Vago class is more keen to promote the sailing and the racing of the boats than upholding the class rules to that sort of level - but I take your point.
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Originally posted by ellistine

Now there's a thought. Turn the lowers upside down. Put the shackle at the top and the 'string' at the bottom.

But then it won't match the rigging diagram - watch those class rules!
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Originally posted by JimC

It is good to have the lashing at the outboard end though: you can't get the tension on nearly so accurately if they are at the mast.

Now there's a thought. Turn the lowers upside down. Put the shackle at the top and the 'string' at the bottom.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Vago doesn't even have pin adjusters for the lowers, just string at the mast - how bad can it get?

Mmm. Quite. I might at least alter the string arrangement to an adjustable string arrangement.

So you're also saying, loosen the lowers when windy. I can see how that might work, as Grumpf said, without lower tension the GNAV will bend the mast more than it pushes the boom down. The bent mast will depower the sail.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Edited when I realised that the Vago doesn't even have pin adjusters for the lowers, just string at the mast - how bad can it get?


Lashings have some significant advantages - lighter, cheaper and more adjustable. Since modern ultra fine ropes came out I use nothing else. It is good to have the lashing at the outboard end though: you can't get the tension on nearly so accurately if they are at the mast.
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Bear in mind in all this that if you adopt half the above suggestions your boat will no longer be class legal (the Vago is subject to the usual, anal restrictions of the Laser one-design classes). I'd just tighten the string until the lowers 'just' go tight as your rig tension (jib halyard) is finally pulled on fully. Ease 10-15mm (if you can tie knots that accurately!) when very windy.

GRF - Noah actually invented adjustable lowers as well, and dinghy sailors in places other than Hythe have been using them ever since. You should just have asked him at the time.

Edited when I realised that the Vago doesn't even have pin adjusters for the lowers, just string at the mast - how bad can it get?



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Or buy Stamasters to find they are to long for the wire things that hold
the mast up.

You should see my little toolbox thing that started out as a little
needlepoint box but now needs a truck to haul it around with its
redundant cleats, shackles pulley blocks, chain plates that don't fit those
pin things in the pic above, not to mention the bits of rope.

Dont you just love collecting them?

Just in case you know - one day you'll need them.

And it'll be the wrong size.

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Or invest in some 'fast pins'. Granted, they are really quite expensive, but you can attach the ring to the shroud point with string and then you won't lose them.

I use them on the main shrouds and uppers as it makes changing rig settings much less of a problem.
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Originally posted by tack'ho

Originally posted by G.R.F.

I expect the lower thingies will be attached by some crude devices which involve lots of small holes then an annoying pin and circlip...
If only it wasn't true.

Last time *I* looked it wasn't. If you look carefully amongst the little packets at your local chandler, or on pages like those below, you may discover that this pins are available as spares. As for the dimensional differences - metric and imperial I'm afraid - simple as that.

http://www.marineprepacks.com/rigging/detail.asp?line=ssclev is

http://www.ronstan.co.uk/marine5/range.asp?RnID=249

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

I expect the lower thingies will be attached by some crude devices which
involve lots of small holes then an annoying pin and circlip which you will
immediately drop, lose for several days until having replaced it at no little
expense since you will have had to buy another complete set and that
new set will of course not now match the other set since it's built by
another manufacturer, they of course have deliberately made their little
holes and stupid pins different by sufficient micrometers to ensure you
then need to go and purchase another matching set, having done that the
sun will immediately glint on the original circlip. You now are the proud
owner of two matching yet not compatible bits of stainless steel with
holes punched in them that were originally conceived by Noah who, quite
probably climbed a mountain wrote on a tablet and decreed to the world
that all such plates should be built identical but didn't reckon on the
idiosyncrasies of Ron, Stan and Jack Holt.

 

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