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Harry44981! 
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 Topic: starting signalsPosted: 27 Feb 05 at 4:20pm |
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Its very simple really,commitee (made of usually 3 people) hear both cases, find facts from that, then call you back in hear some more then make a decision to who was in wrong and what action to take. I've been in quite a feqw and it's not as daunting as you expect
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Win or Swim
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Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 12:15pm |
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thats a good idea. So what is the actual process of a protest comitee? i know how to lodge a process but have no idea from then on? |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 7:55am |
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In Merlin Rocket class training events, the organisers held mock protests for incidents in practice races. It definitely helped me know what to expect the first time I did one for real.
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Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 10:19pm |
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At our club we run a highly competitive sunday series and a more relaxed thursday eve series. I take part in both and we haven't EVER had a protest comitee. To be hounest nobody knows what to do. Is there a guide for club race officers on how to deal with protests. We'd like a go at it, as i believe it gives you a better understanding of the rules, but it just dont see it happening. Anybody know the best route into 'friendly' protest procedings? |
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Garry
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Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 7:56pm |
Nothing to stop you staging a mock protest based on a real incident... |
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Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 7:12pm |
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At our club we've got a lot of "new" racers doing our Monday dinghy series. There's a lot of poor rules observance - usually by people who've been sailing a long time but who don't race much and really don't know the rules. We've only ever had one protest - and there was never a hearing . We'd actually like a protest. If we get one, we've thought about trying to hold it "in public" (as long as protestor/ee are happy) just as a way of showing people how a protest hearing actually works. Most people have no idea what goes on until they end up at one - whether as one of the protagonists, a witness or a committee member. |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 7:54am |
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Are they really so lengthy? I've been involved with a few and none took longer than 20 minutes. What does take time is getting a committee together and none of the alternatives suggested avoid that. |
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Phil eltringham
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Posted: 02 Feb 05 at 1:49am |
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Three minuite justice. One min for each side of the argument to put their case and one min for a decision to be made. Decision is final and its all done in the time it takes to order the round for everyone, simple! |
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Rob.e
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Posted: 01 Feb 05 at 8:27pm |
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The RS assoc was discussing something like a mediation system, where you would get advice as to the likely outcome of a formal protest from v.experienced sailors before going ahead. The object being 1.to encourage competitors to enforce the rules, 2. to ensure the guilty party understood what they'd done wrong 3. to avoid lengthy protest meetings when everyone really wanted to be in the bar. Those involved would have the option of accepting the advisors descision or going ahead with the formal protest. The perception being that people often don't protest 'cos they can't be bothered with it all. Don't know how far they got- I think it stalled for lack of suitable or willing mediators. Anyone know? |
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Harry44981!
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Posted: 01 Feb 05 at 4:34pm |
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At Redesmere we have a kind of informal chat with the sailors, deciding what a protest commitee would find etc., and allowing the protestor to pursue if they want to, but most people retire/ leave it. regarding the topper incident: i have been in five topper protests, and allhave benn well managed by the club/ ITCA (including a redress at plym yc) bar one, which was an absolute shambles! Want to name and Shame the Club Catmandid? |
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