Anti-cat

Originally posted by NickA Originally posted by oz man its never nice to be over taken is it being passed by a 49er while in a topper probably isnt that great either dont see many clubs turning them away though My club turns them away.  Hobie Tigers too; despite allowing F18 cats and Tempests (which scare the bits off me). Apparently it's all based on an unbiased "risk assesment system".  Though one suspects that the appliers of said system don't much like skiffs and only like fast cats if they also like their owners! (though to be fair, the F18 owner is pretty damned good). .. but our cats do race in the same handicap series, though normally with a separate start.

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Originally posted by oz man its never nice to be over taken is it being passed by a 49er while in a topper probably isnt that great either dont see many clubs turning them away though

My club turns them away.  Hobie Tigers too; despite allowing F18 cats and Tempests (which scare the bits off me).

Apparently it's all based on an unbiased "risk assesment system".  Though one suspects that the appliers of said system don't much like skiffs and only like fast cats if they also like their owners! (though to be fair, the F18 owner is pretty damned good).

.. but our cats do race in the same handicap series, though normally with a separate start.




Edited by NickA

Originally posted by Sprint Bob so it is impossible to give them an appropriate PY that can be justified to the rest of the sailors who sail under different rules.

Why is this different from any other class that has spectacular differences in performance in different conditions, be it Thames Raters, foiler Moths or even 420s? You should just set a PY that averages out over a series. Anything else is just anti board discrimination...


Edited by JimC

Originally posted by JimC The restrictions on sailboards are perhaps less easy to justify.

At Grafham we let the sailboards take part but exclude them from the series results. Most sailboarders do not race so we just get the odd one racing. If we got a group do a series we would award seperate prizes. The reason for this is in light winds they pump around the course, in strong winds they change their rig, etc so it is impossible to give them an appropriate PY that can be justified to the rest of the sailors who sail under different rules.

I think the point is that every club - and a club is hopefully just a grouping of vaguely likeminded people - has a right - even duty - to do what is regarded as best for those people to have fun sailing.

There are whole hosts of different restrictions at different clubs to suit their own requirements. The club where I sail prohibits Catamarans (but not the narrow Laser Vortex or Fun boat) and B14s because they don't fit through the water company gates onto the reservoir, any kind of keelboat because the weight is too much for our access winch, two string boats because there are concerns that the visibility is too limited on a moderate sized reservoir with a lot of crossing upwind and downwind, and sailboards are not permitted on the water on Sunday mornings and Wednesday evenings, but are welcome at other times.

There are clubs and events that are restricted to boats faster than a given speed, boats slower than a given speed, events and clubs that are restricted to particular classes, all sorts of things. At UK inland clubs keelboats and sailboards are probably as widely restricted as catamarans, and kite surfers are almost universally banned. The special requirements of kite surfers, catamarans and keelboats make it easy to understand why they are limited. The restrictions on sailboards are perhaps less easy to justify.



Edited by JimC