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Worthy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 511 |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I suspect that beyond a certain age if people can't sail a boat they like a substantial percentage don't sail at all. Thus the many classes help support the general sailing infrastructure by keeping up participation.
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DiscoBall ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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Yes, according to the accepted wisdom the UK sailing scene should be a 'basket case'.... Certainly part of it is down to geography - though it wouldn't be much different for most other european countries - however trying to support a country wide open circuit in somewhere the size of the US or Aus...! I suspect it's also down to the more intangible things - that really competitive sailing is less about finding out who's best and more a good background for people to socialise, which is perhaps a healthier approach. Certainly the socials seem to have higher prominence in the UK - the 'quick meal and the everybody goes home after an hour' was something of a shock at the french events I've attended... The number of classes allows lots of people to have a day on the podium (and the Endeavour results would infer that the standard of sailing is quite consistent across the top of the range of classes) which has a feelgood factor that being just another number on a huge ranking list doesn't. The other thing I wonder is if the classes are more representative of an optimum size for a social group (bit of cod anthropology here...). That forcing everybody into one or two huge classes makes everything too impersonal?? I don't think we have all the answers - sailing is certainly diminishing in the UK, but it would be interesting to know whether it's at a slower rate to countries that run a stricter system. |
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kanga ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Oct 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 248 |
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women's match racing is bigger than you think at the moment but until today, the rya hasnt supported it that much either. it organises a few series but over the world, wimen'smatch racing has been being promoted heavily, and i think its a justified discipline! however, i don't like the fact they ditched the cats, stupid idea. one men's single hander is enough. i dont see another woman's single hander for the tiny girls - they have to learn another boat to compete at that level! |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Now cat sailing isn't an Olympic sport, we should see a huge surge in popularity? After all, it has often been said that being in the Olympics kills a class - does the same hold true for a whole section of the sport? Or will we suddenly see Women's match racing at every club across the land?
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kanga ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Oct 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 248 |
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Here goes folks,... The ten events selected by the ISAF Council for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition are: One person dinghy - Men |
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for yur illumination disco ball
seppos ------- sceptic tanks -------- yanks ----- good citizens of usa
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Yes, and compared to every other country, the British have "too many classes", including many of the minor local classes that many people in other countries would like to kill.
You guys also seem to have many slow (or slowish) boats as well as many fast ones; you often sail on (to use an American's term) "damp sponges"; and your fleet tends to include lots of small boats. Oh, and mixed fleet racing. And it all works incredibly well. Many things would only work because of the UK's geography, but the huge success of dinghy sailing in the UK seems to prove that many of the things that people traditionally think are important (concentration into a few classes, lots of big fast boats sailing on open waters, concentration on class racing) are complete rubbish. What a pity the ISAF doesn't seem to want to look at the proven success of dinghy sailing in the UK and try to learn from it. |
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DiscoBall ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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Ah...I see (said the blind man...) I think the french are pretty much down this route too - apart from those going on to youth worlds/ olympics most go into keelboats as this is the way the pathways are setup. Thge only other dinghy sailing that goes on outside of youth squad seems to be a few 'rebel' elements - some localised 505 fleets, the Cherubs and Breizh Skiff lot in Brittany and a random selection of crapped out 470/420s (tufnol blocks and wooden centreboards...!) that the french use for pootling round the bay. AFAIK the UK is the only country to support 2 (or is that 1.5) dedicated dinghy magazines, I've never seen anything comparable anywhere else. |
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