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spin cycle ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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back to the original question make sure you set the boat up well for the conditions and don't hold back at the start, its better to be near the front rather than ducking around slower boats. Rs 400's use to be absouletly pigs to pass. As for the rest of the thread well nothing beats water line lenght in light winds, but then in those conditions playing the gusts or shifts right tend to be far more important than whatever the boat. If you read bethwaite then from his reasoning the cherub should be equal upwind scp is equal but I think Paul Biekers thinking about upwind sailing is far more important and that high performance dinghies atre in the semi forced stage most of the time up wind in a breeze ( sorry cherubs but equivalent waterline lenght still plays ) ie you've no chance against 14's 49ers etc upwind. Downwind its adiffernet ball game as its down to drag and since the cherub has ee haw in its back end compared to some of the others then game on. the late great Dave Ov said that the 29er was one of the fastest boats that he sailed downwind because he cold drive it hard in a big breeze and not pitchpole. from a personnal viewpoint look at the scottish skiff travellers the spread is from 4000's and cherubs which took a handicap drop to qualify to 18 ft skiffs its interesting how high performance classes do. the mps dominates due to numbers but also th top 3 sailors in the world also do the events. In sub 15 knots it was how sailed not the handicap that mattered ie a well sailed 4 tonner would beat a 49er around the course ! hANDICAPS ARE ARE AN AVERAGE OF CLUB RETURNS IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CLUB DOES THE RETURNS. THEY CAN WORK WITH THE NUMBERS THEY GET !
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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ICs are not that great in the very light. You've got small sails and, because the hull is so very long, quite a lot of wetted area - much the same as a Cherub for instance. But as soon as you do get a bit of speed and form drag comes into play, well, suddenly its another game entirely.
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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i reckon a well sailed IC mut be pretty good in very little wind. easily driven hull, efficient rig.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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A well sailed 4k can beat a 49er in a drifter! Whereas a well sailed 5k will beat almost everything in a drifter!! |
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49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!
Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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I was talking about the 4000 u fool lol!!! |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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i think he meant a 4k would kick a 14 in a drifter.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Smight at BBSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129 |
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Somehow i don't think a cherub can give a 14 a kicking in the light stuff. 14 have the extra waterline length plus much bigger sails |
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k_kirk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 09 May 06 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 172 |
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To answer this question perhaps one should read and reference High Performance Sailing by Frank Bethwaite. It makes my brain ache everytime I try to go through it but I'm convinced one of these days I'll get it!
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hollandsd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853 |
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Great definition
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