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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I would agree with Roger that he cal luff but not tack 9but in doing so he has to give sufficient time and opportunity to react.
I was involved in a protest at the Blaze nats over something very similar (the PC decided the other boat breached 16.1 so i won). I would call it as 16.1, any other thoughts? Obviously we are just going on what we can see in our minds eye.... |
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The Moo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809 |
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Presmably if the mark had been rounded and left astern Rule 18 does not apply and other When Boats Meet Rules do?
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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sounds like he was tacking in your water putting him in the wrong.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Crafty ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Aug 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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the boats were not overlapped during the mark rounding it was a run to a beat, it was optional to round the mark yes we had completed the the mark rounding and starting the beat |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Very difficult to analyse specific incidents without the actual info the PC would have - drawing and most especially both parties' version of events.
1) Were the boats overlapped during the mark rounding? 2) If so who was inside 3) What rounding was it, reach to beat, run to beat, beat to run or what? 4) was it necessary to tack to complete the rounding, or was it optional and he could have reasonably gone off on either tack 5) Had you both completed the mark rounding - ie were on your best course for the next mark. Remember 2BL isn't relevant here. |
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Crafty ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Aug 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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At a recent laser event i was at i was confused by this as well, ( water after the mark ) We were still in the two boat length and rounded the mark, i had a better mark rounding than him and was just higher than him but behind He decided to tack and i just nicked the back of his boat, i did not have time to react to avoid his boat ( i was also on starboard ) Who was in the wrong ? Edited by Crafty |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Jim,
You are a master. I dug through and found the wording. The question that always gets asked is does the Zone count after the mark as well. IE are you safe from being luffed hard until you are outside of the Zone again or does it stop as you pass? I always assumed it was a circle around the mark. Paul |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Yes and No. You're quite correct about the water being required when about to pass rather than specifically 2BL, but 2BL is also in the rules as the point at which overlaps cannot be made or broken after - If you break an overlap within 2bl then its tough, you still have to let them in, and if you make an overlap after 2BL its tough, you've got no rights and have to bail out or do your turns. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I'm afraid you are. 2BL is specified in the RRS. I think some multihull class rules may override it but that would need to be referenced in the SIs. Standard protest committee procedures do indeed suggest that both parties are asked if they are happy with the composition of the committee.
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