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    Posted: 16 Jun 07 at 2:15pm
I think we may get a cadet There is a decent sized fleet and they're cheap for a good one so it'd be a better idea. I'd probably helm for a year and then give it to her to helm in when shes comfortable. Anyone know any for sale in the north?
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Thats good news because she hasent quite got the cooridination for rear as shes pretty new. Also she will race in the youth handicap so a newer mirror would do better than cadets (even if she doesnt beat them). Its probably either a mirror or a cadet which is what i leant in. Ive notaced not all are gaff rigged anymore aswel. I think the budget is about 1500 ish (a little less would be better). What sort of boat would that get? (sail number, construction et

You are now allowed a Bermuda Rig

There are several good race boats with lots of kit on the website within your budget.  These will be wood but should be epoxy coated so strong,  stiff and durable.  Foam sandwich boats will be typically over £2000

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I find aft main actually easier to teach and i prefer it to sail because you don't end up steering behind your back and getting the tiller extension stuck on your arm/back...
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Thats good news because she hasent quite got the cooridination for rear as shes pretty new. Also she will race in the youth handicap so a newer mirror would do better than cadets (even if she doesnt beat them). Its probably either a mirror or a cadet which is what i leant in. Ive notaced not all are gaff rigged anymore aswel. I think the budget is about 1500 ish (a little less would be better). What sort of boat would that get? (sail number, construction etc)

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not really because people can actually afford cadets mirrors, and oppies although oppies are becoming ludicrously expensive for what they are. just the classes havent changed in a long time. also its not the RYA who selected the Yngling and the Star, we have the ISAF to thank for that.
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Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

These are the Two RYA Junior Pathway Doublehanded Classes,  so makes sense they are on your list,  even if your sister is not interested in the squads etc they have been chosen by the RYA for all the right reason


Same "Right Reasons" as the Star and the Yngling? ( And dare I say it .. The Oppie! )


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Originally posted by sailor_420

As a matter of fact the mirror and the cadet were both other considerations! 

These are the Two RYA Junior Pathway Doublehanded Classes,  so makes sense they are on your list,  even if your sister is not interested in the squads etc they have been chosen by the RYA for all the right reason

Originally posted by sailor_420

Is the mirror faster than the cadet?

Yes and a slightly bigger

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Are all mirrors rear main?

Centre mains are now allowed :

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The Mirror is a great boat if you can find a decent one. How much is a good one, with spinny?

Good starter boats are around £500,  competitive race boats start approx £1200.  As with all popular classes they hold they value incredibly well, you can normally get you money back at resale.

 

 
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As a matter of fact the mirror and the cadet were both other considerations! There is a large cadet fleet but they sail in the youth handicap so it doesnt matter. Is the mirror faster than the cadet? Are all mirrors rear main? The Mirror is a great boat if you can find a decent one. How much is a good one, with spinny?

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yeah the feva's rig is defineatly not the easiest to depower. but if you are refering to last years southern zones then the wind was more like 25+ and that was very, very fun, you just sit out harder. is that figure of 40% the rig orthe hull? id be suprised if there was that much difference in weight in the rigs.

one very definate advantage the feva has over the miror are the nice and comfy rolled side decks for hiking from as opposed to the mirrors little planks.
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Originally posted by mike ellis

sorry simon but the narrow weight band thing is not true. whe we were in the feva squad we were one of the biggest teams at about 120kg ish and the smallest teams were very small, the one limiting factor with the feva is the need of a small/flexible/both crew because to get uner the boom without sitting on the mainsheet isnt easy.

My comments are based on observations of when I have seen Fevas out in different conditions.  At a recent Zone Champs the wind was gusting 20-25 knots,  the Fevas typically sailed by 14/15 year olds started first then Mirrors with 10-14 year olds,  then Cadets.  This was an event aimed at juniors in their first championship season.  Many of the Feva sailors were clearly struggling with the conditions and were over taken by most of the Mirror fleet and even some of the Cadets who started ten minutes behind them

For small juniors the Feva is a large boat,  10% bigger than a Mirror,  and critically 40% heavier with a much more powerful rig.  Classes like Cadets and Mirrors also have very adaptable rigs allowing you to set them up to suit the conditions and sailors weight.
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