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    Posted: 23 Feb 07 at 8:36pm

I think stefans point about finding crew is to the point....an X332 needing 8 and in no big numbers anymore, plus an expensive sail wardrobe.....

Another thing in favour of the Impala, but some are pretty tatty and yes they aren't as well made as the very robust sigma 33- and it is better for offshore in the channel (fastnet 79 showed that)

Impalas are more broachy but the mast does bend with kicker! despite the lead shoe over the orignial design they will still luff very hard and stall if you are overcanvassed. Improvement on before- they would actually self-tack!



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I'm not saying the 33 is the be-all-and-end-all.  Yeah, it does have a cramped cockpit and has a painful toe rail which the Impala doesn't.  However IMHO the 33 is still superior to the Impala, esp if you intend to cruise, as it is considerably more sea worthy and comfortable.  The main thing the Impala has going for it is the fact that you can get a proper yacht which can be raced or cruised for under 15K.  If you have a bigger bubget, then there are def. better boats about.
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both the impala and the sigma 36 are superior boats to the 33 in terms of helming and crewing.

What the impala lacks in interior comfort is made up for in the cockpit and deck which are a hek of a lot less bruising and uncomfy than the 33, which was always meant to be a sit in the cockpit channel racer and not a round-the-cans hike bitches racer!

 

The 33 had numbers and quality sailors but fleets are down except Dublin funnily enough.

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I'd rather a Sigma 33 over an Impala for defo!  The Impala is pretty limited in comfort down stairs and is basically just a big Sonata.  There aren't really that many about in good shape either, as they have been out of production for a long time.  Interesting also that you think an Impala would be more exciting than a Sigma.  I think they are essentially just the same hull shape at a different scale, coming from the very same era.  You'd be better off getting a 1720 / SB3.  Much more like dinghy sailing and more exciting.  Either that of forget the OD racing and get stuck into IRC.

I've raced IRC at several events and it is very close and seems pretty fair (if you sail well then you do well!).  That way you're not so limited in type of boat and you can race in a big fleet.

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http://www.impala28.info/ - most information is in the forum. They have a reasonable amount going on, much of it in Scotland by the look of it. Not much in the Solent these days.
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"".....or H boats for that matter!""

- good one,  nice looking boat.   something I would consider myself (but I just bought a dinghy - see different forum -  so not on the cards at the moment).  But Impalas might be worth the investigation.  I don't know how many of them there are these days.

 

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

 Downwind, when a puff hits, they just heel a bit more. The closest you get to excitement is when they threaten to death roll, which they are liable to do running in a breeze.

 

They provided good OD racing in their day but I wouldn't care to sail one today. 

 

Coming into a leeward mark in the top third of the fleet at Cork week, on the one windy-ish day in 97, it was near carnage with everyone daring to go by the lee a little to avoid gybing onto port. Many hair raising broaches about.

The two boats I sailed on had both regular crew and lists which ran into the mid twenties in numbers! So yeah, I think the days of attracting people to something which is exciting are passed for the sm33

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Fin..or H boats for that matter!

I may have to say that an SB3 and maybe a sigma 33 just for cruising and the odd coastal hack/RtI may be where I swing, although I do like Impalas.

Clyde Impala would be a good starting point though, to get their head round running a keel boat and not a fireball ---they have some good sailors again and may build up.

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Sigma 33 -  helm/mainsheet -  it's a bit cramped at the back of that small cockpit - but that's a reflection of the boats  age and design.

the topic is,  OD racing in yachts in which you could sleep  aboard. 

I don't think there's another class that actually caters for that.    31.7s are OD,  X332s possibly are but are still pricy,  apart from that I don't think there's anything else apart from sigma38s!    

Yachts of  that size,  you otherwise have to race under IRC...   

other alternatives-  go a bit smaller -

  • J24 possibly or
  • melges
  • impala
  • sonta

you could always  race  folkboats -  there very competative - and I think they are strict about mesurements as well.  .   They accommodate crew,  sleep 3, 4 at a push... 

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by damp_freddie

 I worked my way "up" to main and 2nd helm on a couple of 33s in my apprenticeship and god they are uncomfortable and boring to helm.

For once, Freddie and I can agree. I helmed S/33s offshore quite a lot at one time and the helming position seemed expressly designed to damage your back. Downwind, when a puff hits, they just heel a bit more. The closest you get to excitement is when they threaten to death roll, which they are liable to do running in a breeze. They provided good OD racing in their day but I wouldn't care to sail one today. 

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