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    Posted: 29 Jan 07 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by Sprint Bob

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I would like to applaud Y&Y for continuing to print race reports in it's
magazine.  It is often the only way that some of the established classes
get exposure in print. Sailors who have taken part in an event like to read
about it after the event - particularly if their name is mentioned or if
there is a picture. I know many sailors who buy the magazine to get a
permanent record of their endeavours. The only possible complaint is the
delay in printing the reports, sometimes. In 26 January issue there were 6
reports from the Grafham Cat Open which happened on 21/22 October -
I don't know if they got forgotten about and were woken up by this forum
- but it is fairly rare that things get missed out in my experience.


The Y&Y website is very fast and efficient in its reporting and has
recently been much faster than our own class website in reporting our
events. The only problem is that the web site is so popular that reports
soon disappear off the top page and have to be searched out. It is well
structured and grouped to collect class history as well as the future
programme for the coming season.


Generally, it is my experience that catamarans are well covered in Y&Y
(magazine and web site).  What has to be remembered is that for
coverage to occur someone has to intitiate it. Generally, this is in the
form of sending in an event report or some newsworthy item. If some
catamaran classes are not getting proper coverage I suspect that they are
not sending stuff in to Jeremy Evans or to Clubs and Classes.


Keep up the good work Y&Y. You get my vote.



Thanks Sprint Bob – you will notice all ther reports in Club are from the
same period, they had not been forgotten or burried, we simply have had
far too many reports over the end period of the season and struggled for
space to fit them in, we have been slowly working our way through the
backlog.


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Originally posted by Jeremy Evans

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So I look forward to a monster response



I've sent you a 'monster' email!
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Hi

I would like to applaud Y&Y for continuing to print race reports in it's magazine.  It is often the only way that some of the established classes get exposure in print. Sailors who have taken part in an event like to read about it after the event - particularly if their name is mentioned or if there is a picture. I know many sailors who buy the magazine to get a permanent record of their endeavours. The only possible complaint is the delay in printing the reports, sometimes. In 26 January issue there were 6 reports from the Grafham Cat Open which happened on 21/22 October - I don't know if they got forgotten about and were woken up by this forum - but it is fairly rare that things get missed out in my experience.

The Y&Y website is very fast and efficient in its reporting and has recently been much faster than our own class website in reporting our events. The only problem is that the web site is so popular that reports soon disappear off the top page and have to be searched out. It is well structured and grouped to collect class history as well as the future programme for the coming season.

Generally, it is my experience that catamarans are well covered in Y&Y (magazine and web site).  What has to be remembered is that for coverage to occur someone has to intitiate it. Generally, this is in the form of sending in an event report or some newsworthy item. If some catamaran classes are not getting proper coverage I suspect that they are not sending stuff in to Jeremy Evans or to Clubs and Classes.

Keep up the good work Y&Y. You get my vote.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SoggyDoggie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 9:54pm

Originally posted by HelenF

Thanks for the feedback - always good to hear.
Check out the current (January 12) and next (January 26) issues.

Hi HelenF,

I'm with Sprint Bob on this. You will be pleased to learn that Bob has recommended the latest Y&Y issue on the UK Sprint 15 Association website.

It goes to show that if there is coverage on the most numerous single-handed cat in the UK, the members will buy the magazine. I have never purchased DSM, and I'm unlikely to do so, if I feel that I am not being catered for.

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Hello
I am always hungry (more like ravenous) for cat material! Grass roots
included!
If you send Y&Y an email with relevant cat information, please always CC
it to jeremy.evans@zen.co.uk
If you have interesting news or a report, it is always handy to email me
and attach a high quality, high res image - one good action pic will
generally suffice
I'm particularly interested in things like A Class (which someone
mentioned) and cat developments among the existing well known classes
- for instance it would be great to hear more about what's new with the
Dart 18 and other classics. Also, info on tweaks and tuning is always
interesting, plus more about clubs that are pushing cats, the people who
organise big cat events, cat cruising and trips, catsailing abroad, plus
whatever else sounds good!
So I look forward to a monster response - email if you have queries
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Hi all

Firstly thank you for your comments, sorry I haven't responded earlier but
I didn't get a spare moment to look at the Forum the last week.

Just to answer a few key points raised here and to clear a few things up
with regarding to what we do:

1. Reports published in the magazine

All open meeting reports sent to club@yachtsandyachting.com on time
and to length are used both online and in the magazine. There is no
discrimination, just a minimum entry. The deadline to guarantee
inclusion is the Tuesday after the end of the event - although we are
pretty leniant particularly for big events and in quieter periods of the
season. No other magzine is printing these reports, but we feel it is
important despite the shift to reading news online. In order to continue
doing this we do need your continued support. Our Features Assistant
Dawn Hinsley lookes after the Clubs and Classes section in the magazine,
feel free to ring her in the office or email club@yachtsandyachting.com

2. Special features on events

We try to target a range of larger events over the year (no we don't send
reporters and that includes the RS events, we work with the class
associations to find someone who is going to put the piece together
which we edit) and welcome any suggestions, obviously every individual
class wants extra coverage so we can't feature everyone, but we can and
do react to any suggestions, email me or call me:
gael@yachtsandyachting.com or editorial@yachtsandyachting.com

3. Columns

We have a multihull-specific column in the magazine which sometimes
has our skiff and keelboat readers grumbling, the keelboat sailors getting
only an occasional column and the skiffs being covered in Roll Tacks
(previously named Pit Stop) which covers all the monohull dinghy classes
as well as club news. Your comments have been noted and passed on to
Jeremy Evanst. I don't claim to be a cat specialist - that's why we have a
specialist columnist.

4. We're not perfect but we are listening
Simply getting Y&Y out every fortnight is a huge task - 12 hour days are
not uncommon. I'm checking the forum on Sunday evening, that's how
much we care. Sailing is done in our own time, any events any of us
attend rely on us putting in a full day's work for evey day we are out to
keep up with the workload, and yet most of us are regularly at events at
weekends and spend most of our holiday sailing. We are completely
dedicated to try and give all our readers the best magazine possible, but
we do rely on your help, that is the only way it is at all possible.

Rest assured your comments are very much valued and have been noted,
keep talking to us and we will keep working to try and make Y&Y better
and better.

Gael Pawson

Editor, Yachts and Yachting
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Helen

Not only did we put umpteen reports from GWSC on the web site, we also emailed you before pointing out that the event was attracting a huge turn out and that there were about 5 championships being decided.

If you want an example about how you are not covering grass roots sailing, the revival of the A Class in the UK is striking and not seen that noted at all.

Can you tell us who writes your regular 3 page features with pics on RS nationals and equivalent if you don't send reporters to events ?  Notice you are happy enough to send an ex employee of the company in question  to write a report on its new holiday site.

If you really want the feedback and leave us with a warm feeling, then maybe your cat correspondent should post in response to these crits. Y&Y is undeniably the premier mag but I am clearly not alone in thinking that it is getting out of touch with its core readership.

 

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Originally posted by charlie1019

One of the articles I used to find interesting to read was the 'Dinghy Forum' written by both cat and dinghy sailors if I remember.

Yes, Dinghy Forum was great, but my favourite bit of the mag was Pit Stop; I even used to save those pages - sad, I know...

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote charlie1019 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 07 at 2:09pm

Funnily enough I did read the bloody mary report in the que. But then put it back. As for the trapezing article: its one of those things that to get better at you need to be on the water not reading about it in the bar. Yes there may have been useful coments for some, but if you've read one of the articles on trapezing...

One of the articles I used to find interesting to read was the 'Dinghy Forum' written by both cat and dinghy sailors if I remember.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Canvey Pirate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 07 at 1:59pm

Thats because you never took out a big advert.

I know our fleet use to send in reports all the time, but never really made the grade until we sent in a funny report from our own Major Eyeswater. Still makes me laugh today

 

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