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    Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 5:42pm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 9:52am

I like light too. It's just that I'm not. So to be competitive I need a heavier boat.

If I was 11 stone and my crew even less then I would probably get a Spitfire. Never seen anything tack like it!

But the Hurri suits me fine. Cheap as chips, hard as nails, great in the big stuff, flat-towable and great class association.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote gary145 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by Jalani

" and not too light like your F16 "

How so? How can a boat be 'too light'?

Tell you what - let's suggest to all those cutting edge designers of C Cats, Skiffs etc. that they've got it wrong, they actually need to put weight into their boats!!

seem to recall a discussion followed by a forum discussion (not here oops) that the spitfires had the better of the conditions and punched through the waves better than the f16 coz they were a bit heavier!.

point taken i like light too

 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jalani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 10:49am
Originally posted by English Dave

And Jalani, if your boat T-boned mine, mine would barely be scratched while yours would be a write-off. (I'd still put in an insurance claim though).

Classic misconception.

Heavy does not equal strong and light does not equal weak. But, let's not find out. OK?

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Medway, I'm with you. Also, my total crew weight is around the 29 stone mark which makes the reaching with spinnaker a little more acheivable, even if both me and crew are trapesing aft of rear beam.

It need not be processional, Gary. The boat able to go highest will probably go fastest and then blanket the boats to leeward.  Loads of luffing! In fact I had exactly that experience against a 2-sail Hurricane a few weeks ago. I had bags more speed but not enough power to go below him and not a chance of going above him. Fortunately he was so preoccupied with me that he didn't spot a gust and flipped.

Last Sunday was club racing round the cans and two of the three legs were reaches one broad, the other close. The Toppers had a general recall, the Lasers started 6 minutes ahead of multis and so, by the time we got to the close reach all the boats were fighting on the same patch of water for the same clear air. Rock and Roll!

Trapezoid courses can be fun.

And Jalani, if your boat T-boned mine, mine would barely be scratched while yours would be a write-off. (I'd still put in an insurance claim though).

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

 

Also, trying to weather a mark on a tight reach with the kite up is a significant skill totally untested by w-w/l-w courses.

 

It is if you get a big gust and "need" to bear off 30 degrees when on the rhum line....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 12:45am

Have to say that after a weekend open of windward-leeward, or indeed sausage-triangle, I'm lusting after some real-world sailing on club courses.

Those open meeting courses just seem so artificial to me - feel I might just as well do them on Virtual Skipper, and I enjoy just being able to focus on boatspeed sometimes, not always having to look for shifts to tack/gybe on every leg.

Also, trying to weather a mark on a tight reach with the kite up is a significant skill totally untested by w-w/l-w courses.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jalani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 9:43pm

" and not too light like your F16 "

How so? How can a boat be 'too light'?

Tell you what - let's suggest to all those cutting edge designers of C Cats, Skiffs etc. that they've got it wrong, they actually need to put weight into their boats!!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote gary145 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 9:38pm

you can have your reach on the way out to the course

but a reach during the race, maybe a bit of a procession? and in light winds thats even worse.

nahhh afraid I like windward leeward too.

Maybe my Spitfire has it about right! not as heavy as your SX and not too light like your F16

 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote redhotchilicat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 2:08pm

At the multi lario on Como they sailed a rectangular course mile long true windward leeward legs but with about 1/2 mile broad reaches at either end absolutely blistering and bloody good fun (while keeping tactical downwind sailing rather than just reaching) if a bit tricky for the PRO to change the course if the wind moves. Not sure you'd be able to fly your kite on an SX on a broad reach above a 3 anyway

P.S. spitfire isn't biggest handicap bandit (you can increase the spinnaker by a full SqM and it doesn't alter the handicap ) then it would be ! We' ll see how they look in the spring once beam is put into the equation I'm thinking that is one number sure to go down

go on you know it makes sense
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