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    Posted: 16 Mar 22 at 11:04am
I work in a large mail sorting hub which is less than 50% white British.
Just chatting with colleagues about what they did at the weekend I get to formulate my own picture of who likes to get cold wet & muddy and who prefers to spend time with family or indulge in retail therapy (Aaaargh to both for me).
My assumptions are largely repeated in this Sport England study:
https://www.sportengland.org/know-your-audience/demographic-knowledge/ethnicity

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Originally posted by Mark Aged 42

Back on track for a moment. As an earlier poster wrote, most people get into sailing because their family already sails. So how to entice a Chinese family, a Pakistani family, a black family into the unfamiliar world of sailing? What do they see when they look at a sailing club on a busy day? Apart from the lack of people from their own community, they see a lot of people doing incomprehensible, technical things in complex toys. Its daunting. Add in the perceived elitist reputation of sailing clubs, and we have the current situation. Its much easier to go to Halfords (LBS are available!) and buy some bikes for outdoor family sport.

Absolutely right Mark. The sport generally regards itself as very welcoming and inclusive to everyone, but the perception looking from outside of the sport is just the opposite. That's not to say its a unique issue. Attending a Womens Institute meeting could feel just as intimidating to an otherwise 'tough guy', just because it's outside his comfort zone.
There does seem to be some anecdotal evidence that having sailing club facilities used by other parts of the community out with normal sailing times (music groups, toddler groups etc using it for meetings etc) helps break down any negative perceptions locally.
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Back on track for a moment. As an earlier poster wrote, most people get into sailing because their family already sails. So how to entice a Chinese family, a Pakistani family, a black family into the unfamiliar world of sailing? What do they see when they look at a sailing club on a busy day? Apart from the lack of people from their own community, they see a lot of people doing incomprehensible, technical things in complex toys. Its daunting. Add in the perceived elitist reputation of sailing clubs, and we have the current situation. Its much easier to go to Halfords (LBS are available!) and buy some bikes for outdoor family sport.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 22 at 10:04am
I don't say "cheers big ears" anymore, it was pointed out that children at school are teased for having big ears, so, if adults make a joke of big ears, kids will think it's OK. I grew up at a school where kids were teased unmercifully just for wearing glasses, it affected me for years, I used to find women who wore glasses unattractive, shocking really, just shows how subtlety you are affected.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sussex Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 22 at 9:00am
Originally posted by Oatsandbeans

I think the people that go on about this are a certain group that will find this wherever they look and make a big fuss about it


And there we have it.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oatsandbeans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 22 at 8:27am
I don’t really get this “diversity” thing. Most leisure activities appeal to certain groups and not others-big deal.
I am interested in woodworking-and waste many hours on you tube checking out stuff. That activity is primarily male 30-65 yr olds -many with beards. So not very diverse-is that a problem. I think the people that go on about this are a certain group that will find this wherever they look and make a big fuss about it-to be honest life’s too short-diversity issues won’t be top of the agenda in Kyiv right now!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 22 at 8:17am
Very true .
The problem is not the sport in general or the the different ways different sports attempt to address any problems. 
If when people attack the people and sports that DO attempt to address any problems .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sussex Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 22 at 7:36am
Diversity clearly means different things to different people.

It's a problem in most sports clubs so I don't think sailing is alone in this respect. Diversity does not abolish all of the "isms" either. Some sports with high spread of ethnic participation are still rife with racism. Some sports could be low on racism but high on homophobia etc............and given that we all have a tendency, in the right circumstances, to indulge in a little bit of prejudice of one kind or another. No wonder the waters are muddy on this issue.

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Complains about not being accepted and then displays what to many is knowingly unacceptable behaviour.

Self fulfilling pattern.....again.







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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 22 at 12:23am
Originally posted by NicolaJayne

Originally posted by iGRF

I should just add, shortism is worse than racism, nothing we shortfolk can do about it, even Michael Jackson turned white, homosexuals, don't really have to practise, trans folk don't 'have' to be either, it's a choice, yet here we are without any shortphobic defense protocols to employ, denied jobs, universally prejudiced against, nothing we can do, we are the silent yet universally enslaved to prejudice minority..

Hope that makes you feel really bad.


 you are absurd, wrong in law and utterly clinically illiterate Graham  

 facts don;t care about your  feels 
gender identity  and sexuality are durable biologically  mediated facts as  seen  by the  view of the ICD11   

you  are the kind of person   quick  to throw around accusations of peopel beign  snowflakes when the biggest  snowflake is you 

Totally agree again . He is the snowflakes snowflake. He tries to make a point about being short , with out realising in the jobs market he is totally protected in law from being discriminated against because of his height . Now if he was ginger he might have a point  LOL Wink
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